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Post by Sandy on Jun 19, 2024 21:52:19 GMT
You mean like the Liberal Democrats Limited, which can be easily found on Companies House? You will find that Ed Davey doesn't own 55% of the Liberal Democrats . Clutching at straws. The identity of the shareholders is irrelevant.
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 20, 2024 0:44:17 GMT
You will find that Ed Davey doesn't own 55% of the Liberal Democrats . Clutching at straws. The identity of the shareholders is irrelevant. Not in the slightest.
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Post by noorderling on Jun 20, 2024 5:00:00 GMT
Undoubtedly.
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Post by batman on Jun 20, 2024 5:54:14 GMT
In this instance Mark is right. It is not possible for the Lib Dems to behave as Farage has just done. There is an obvious difference between the two cases.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 20, 2024 6:06:12 GMT
You mean like the Liberal Democrats Limited, which can be easily found on Companies House? From what I recall I have never seen a Liberal or Lib Dem member proclaim himself leader immediately after the previous leader resigned. Have voting figures been published for Farage’s ‘election’? Unless Reform have reinstated the old Conservative Party approach of a leader ‘emerging’. This was last seen when Alec Douglas Home became leader despite the fact that the majority of Conservative MPs wanted Rab Butler. Even then, it only applied when the conservatives were in government. Reform have clearly applied the One Man One Vote principle and Farage has that vote. I'm not sure the party who met behind closed doors with a bunch of unaccountable, to the public, and self-interested union barons to hammer out their manifesto, which Labour does in part for money, is in any strong position to bang on about democratic procedure.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2024 6:31:42 GMT
1. We've got a Reform thread. 2. We all know it's a limited company. If it needs endlessly repeating, just do it on the Reform thread.
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 20, 2024 7:13:01 GMT
From what I recall I have never seen a Liberal or Lib Dem member proclaim himself leader immediately after the previous leader resigned. Have voting figures been published for Farage’s ‘election’? Unless Reform have reinstated the old Conservative Party approach of a leader ‘emerging’. This was last seen when Alec Douglas Home became leader despite the fact that the majority of Conservative MPs wanted Rab Butler. Even then, it only applied when the conservatives were in government. Reform have clearly applied the One Man One Vote principle and Farage has that vote. I'm not sure the party who met behind closed doors with a bunch of unaccountable, to the public, and self-interested union barons to hammer out their manifesto, which Labour does in part for money, is in any strong position to bang on about democratic procedure. Union bosses are elected by their members.Farage wasn't elected by anyone as a director of Reform UK LTD.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 20, 2024 7:37:18 GMT
I'm not sure the party who met behind closed doors with a bunch of unaccountable, to the public, and self-interested union barons to hammer out their manifesto, which Labour does in part for money, is in any strong position to bang on about democratic procedure. Union bosses are elected by their members.Farage wasn't elected by anyone as a director of Reform UK LTD. Nigel Farage being the leader of Reform and then being elected is more democratic than the union selectorate having a massive influence on the next government. With Nigel Farage and his party, you can vote for them, or not. They are accountable to me and to you at the ballot box. The unions aren't.
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 20, 2024 8:26:06 GMT
Union bosses are elected by their members.Farage wasn't elected by anyone as a director of Reform UK LTD. Nigel Farage being the leader of Reform and then being elected is more democratic than the union selectorate having a massive influence on the next government. With Nigel Farage and his party, you can vote for them, or not. They are accountable to me and to you at the ballot box. The unions aren't. Are you seriously arguing that the likes of Tory Donors Frank Hester, Mohamed manor , Amid Lohia and Bobby Arora who between them have donated millions to the Conservative party are accountable to the electorate ?
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Post by Sandy on Jun 20, 2024 9:11:16 GMT
Clutching at straws. The identity of the shareholders is irrelevant. Not in the slightest. You don’t appear to be suggesting any illegality. Unless this is the case then you’re just pearl clutching about a figure you despise because of your Brexit monomania.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 20, 2024 14:19:54 GMT
Nigel Farage being the leader of Reform and then being elected is more democratic than the union selectorate having a massive influence on the next government. With Nigel Farage and his party, you can vote for them, or not. They are accountable to me and to you at the ballot box. The unions aren't. Are you seriously arguing that the likes of Tory Donors Frank Hester, Mohamed manor , Amid Lohia and Bobby Arora who between them have donated millions to the Conservative party are accountable to the electorate ? Donating to a political party is different to having a say over the manifesto. If Sunak sat that lot in the room and had them look over the manifesto for their approval, your tune would be different.
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 20, 2024 17:43:14 GMT
Are you seriously arguing that the likes of Tory Donors Frank Hester, Mohamed manor , Amid Lohia and Bobby Arora who between them have donated millions to the Conservative party are accountable to the electorate ? Donating to a political party is different to having a say over the manifesto. If Sunak sat that lot in the room and had them look over the manifesto for their approval, your tune would be different. Are you arguing that people that literally give millions to the Conservatives don’t want something back in return?
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Jun 26, 2024 21:19:23 GMT
Calling this for Labour.
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Post by irish observer on Jul 1, 2024 11:27:17 GMT
Labour gain.
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