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Post by matureleft on May 27, 2024 9:18:11 GMT
I don’t know the man, but if I were him I’d run a mile from this supposed “opportunity”. The likelihood is that he'd have a shell shocked, fissiparous rump around him. He’s not kitted out for the battle to bring his party to sense. He’s a businessman motivated by building solutions and management of people motivated around an essentially common purpose. He has little time for culture wars and arguments over concepts of “sovereignty” and he isn’t really a politician. Archie Norman’s painful experience is a warning. While he may indeed be a model of a future Conservative leader he’d have to go through immense exasperation and frustration before the normal “natural party of government” and removing Labour mode kicks in. The party does adapt - its essential purpose is to hold power - but the false map that was encouraged by 2019 has to be destroyed and replaced by the construction of a more normal coalition. That should draw in both voters and more competent aspirants currently repelled by the nonsense of the last few years. If the Tories end up two "sides" - right-wing Vs one-nation - the party might fall apart. Street would be a very good candidate for a moderate leader Under our system such a split would be crazy. The party has to be a big tent pro-business, lowish tax party attracting competent technocrats. It must certainly indulge those with culture wars anxieties and outdated desires to resist foreign partnerships on trade rules, the environment and so on, but not allow them to dictate strategy and broad direction of travel. They shouldn’t fear to lose the more extreme protagonists of those views. And, tempting though it is to pitch for supposed social conservatives in the other big tent they must recognise that economic incompatibility of purpose introduces risk to the low-tax purpose. Far more sensible is to work with the aspirations of those originally from migrant communities who have entirely compatible economic purposes but have a family history of being repelled by the party. They’ve made sensible and positive progress there but there’s more to do. That’s the end of my free consultation…! |
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Post by Merseymike on May 27, 2024 9:24:27 GMT
If the Tories end up two "sides" - right-wing Vs one-nation - the party might fall apart. Street would be a very good candidate for a moderate leader Under our system such a split would be crazy. The party has to be a big tent pro-business, lowish tax party attracting competent technocrats. It must certainly indulge those with culture wars anxieties and outdated desires to resist foreign partnerships on trade rules, the environment and so on, but not allow them to dictate strategy and broad direction of travel. They shouldn’t fear to lose the more extreme protagonists of those views. And, tempting though it is to pitch for supposed social conservatives in the other big tent they must recognise that economic incompatibility of purpose introduces risk to the low-tax purpose. Far more sensible is to work with the aspirations of those originally from migrant communities who have entirely compatible economic purposes but have a family history of being repelled by the party. They’ve made sensible and positive progress there but there’s more to do. That’s the end of my free consultation…! It just depends - If there are a load of right wingers Reform and others end up with two sides. Obviously that means the Tories will split. Of course they might not.... |
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Post by The Bishop on May 27, 2024 10:37:49 GMT
I don’t know the man, but if I were him I’d run a mile from this supposed “opportunity”. The likelihood is that he'd have a shell shocked, fissiparous rump around him. He’s not kitted out for the battle to bring his party to sense. He’s a businessman motivated by building solutions and management of people motivated around an essentially common purpose. He has little time for culture wars and arguments over concepts of “sovereignty” and he isn’t really a politician. Archie Norman’s painful experience is a warning. While he may indeed be a model of a future Conservative leader he’d have to go through immense exasperation and frustration before the normal “natural party of government” and removing Labour mode kicks in. The party does adapt - its essential purpose is to hold power - but the false map that was encouraged by 2019 has to be destroyed and replaced by the construction of a more normal coalition. That should draw in both voters and more competent aspirants currently repelled by the nonsense of the last few years. By 2029, Street will be too old for British politics and too young for US politics. He would still be younger than Corbyn when he became Labour leader, and roughly the same age as Starmer now. In any case the fact he has yet to make his interest in this clear, suggests that he is at least conflicted and others are trying to push him into doing it. That often doesn't turn out terribly well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 11:06:36 GMT
I don’t know the man, but if I were him I’d run a mile from this supposed “opportunity”. The likelihood is that he'd have a shell shocked, fissiparous rump around him. He’s not kitted out for the battle to bring his party to sense. He’s a businessman motivated by building solutions and management of people motivated around an essentially common purpose. He has little time for culture wars and arguments over concepts of “sovereignty” and he isn’t really a politician. Archie Norman’s painful experience is a warning. While he may indeed be a model of a future Conservative leader he’d have to go through immense exasperation and frustration before the normal “natural party of government” and removing Labour mode kicks in. The party does adapt - its essential purpose is to hold power - but the false map that was encouraged by 2019 has to be destroyed and replaced by the construction of a more normal coalition. That should draw in both voters and more competent aspirants currently repelled by the nonsense of the last few years. If the Tories end up two "sides" - right-wing Vs one-nation - the party might fall apart. Street would be a very good candidate for a moderate leader A house divided against itself ... would be better than this. |
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Post by YL on May 27, 2024 18:48:30 GMT
Street not standing.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2024 22:44:36 GMT
But someone who may be:
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Post by right on May 31, 2024 4:08:29 GMT
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Post by oldhamexile on May 31, 2024 5:45:40 GMT
Knight's valedictory speech in the Commons was incendiary. While in one sense he clearly identified himself as part of the Trussite right, he accused people in Sunak's whips office not only of alcohol-fuelled harassment but of collaborating in an effort to smear him (motivated by connections to 'racists' at Yorkshire County Cricket Club).
It could be a fierce campaign here.
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Post by iang on May 31, 2024 6:30:35 GMT
Neal SH is the Conservative defeated in North Shrops. He lives in Harborne (closer to Solihull than North Shrops is!)
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Post by YL on May 31, 2024 6:35:29 GMT
Does Knight have enough of a profile to cause the Tories any problems as an Independent?
If the current Election Maps UK Nowcast, which shows a Tory majority here of 379, is right, then even getting what Chris Williamson got in Derby North in 2019 would be enough to flip it. But for the purposes of answering the above question let's assume that the underlying Tory position here is a little more comfortable than that.
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Post by andrewp on May 31, 2024 15:44:18 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on May 31, 2024 15:50:38 GMT
i could be wrong but i don't think of him as someone with a personal vote. |
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Post by Yaffles on May 31, 2024 16:49:25 GMT
i could be wrong but i don't think of him as someone with a personal vote. I agree I think his impact on the Tory vote will be minimal . |
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Post by YL on May 31, 2024 21:01:47 GMT
Neil Shastri-Hurst has apparently won the Tory selection, thereby reminding us of one of the more hilarious by-elections of recent times.
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Post by stb12 on May 31, 2024 21:24:34 GMT
Neil Shastri-Hurst has apparently won the Tory selection, thereby reminding us of one of the more hilarious by-elections of recent times. And would end Nicola Richards‘ parliamentary career |
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Post by ricmk on Jun 1, 2024 8:18:24 GMT
Blimey that is falling upwards.
Never bet against Birmingham lawyers!
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 1, 2024 8:31:24 GMT
Blimey that is falling upwards. Never bet against Birmingham lawyers! Except when they're standing for Parliament in rural Shropshire. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 3, 2024 20:12:02 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Jun 4, 2024 0:44:42 GMT
He feels in a position to specify an opposition backbench MP too, which is probably not something he'd have the luxury of being able to admit if he were a candidate in this GE. |
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Post by bd on Jun 4, 2024 6:11:41 GMT
i could be wrong but i don't think of him as someone with a personal vote. I agree I think his impact on the Tory vote will be minimal . The effect on his bank balance of standing and losing will of course be substantial. He’ll be about £20,000 better off than simply walking away. |
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