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Post by stb12 on Mar 14, 2024 0:56:35 GMT
Bromsgrove
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andrea
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Post by andrea on May 25, 2024 21:27:24 GMT
Labour candidate is former MEP Neena Gill
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 8, 2024 11:27:14 GMT
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 10, 2024 15:24:44 GMT
Main 5 plus Workers Party and an Indy. |
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Post by carolus on Jun 11, 2024 7:35:46 GMT
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Merseymike
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2024 7:52:29 GMT
I have read it, and makes Labour, for me, just everything wrong. Local people have no say. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 11, 2024 7:55:58 GMT
I have read it, and makes Labour, for me, just everything wrong. Local people have no say.
That is one way to read it, another is political ambition is thwarted and she has thrown a temper tantrum. Maybe it's both.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2024 8:01:16 GMT
I have read it, and makes Labour, for me, just everything wrong. Local people have no say. That is one way to read it, another is political ambition is thwarted and she has thrown a temper tantrum. Maybe it's both.
I think it's fine to realise what Labour has become. Political ambition should be about the local party. Otherwise, it's a sham. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 11, 2024 13:25:38 GMT
As is all too common, her resignation statement was full of "I...I...me...me".
Some people may be getting a reality check next month on how important they actually are.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2024 13:31:42 GMT
As is all too common, her resignation statement was full of "I...I...me...me". Some people may be getting a reality check next month on how important they actually are. To me, she is right. Labour aren't the party we used to know. The NEC effectively controlled by the right. In my view only candidates should be decided by local party members. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 11, 2024 13:34:37 GMT
I agree there should be more local involvement as a rule, but both in 2017 and 2019 loads of Labour candidates were effectively imposed. And you know who was leader then.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2024 13:53:08 GMT
I agree there should be more local involvement as a rule, but both in 2017 and 2019 loads of Labour candidates were effectively imposed. And you know who was leader then. It was far,far worse, though. Loads? - not many. But now, it's either a shortlist (shouldn't be) or just a candidate decided by the NEC and the right wing. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 11, 2024 13:54:37 GMT
I agree there should be more local involvement as a rule, but both in 2017 and 2019 loads of Labour candidates were effectively imposed. And you know who was leader then. It was far,far worse, though. Loads? - not many. But now, it's either a shortlist (shouldn't be) or just a candidate decided by the NEC and the right wing. In 2017 it was nearly everybody! |
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Post by batman on Jun 11, 2024 13:59:20 GMT
oh but that was all right because it was Corbs innit.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2024 14:00:41 GMT
It was far,far worse, though. Loads? - not many. But now, it's either a shortlist (shouldn't be) or just a candidate decided by the NEC and the right wing. In 2017 it was nearly everybody! Some, but the candidates were a reasonable left-right split. Now, virtually all right wing candidates. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 11, 2024 14:20:54 GMT
Internal democracy is a bit of an alien concept to Labour Party culture, and those who have advocated for it and meant it have always been a small minority. Usually dominant has been the cult of The Rules (always rather loosely worded and subject to a great deal of interpretive freedom) which derives ultimately from the pit and the docks, and when that approach has been challenged it has been by people who support essentially Leninist approaches. Things have never been any other way and we all know this to be true, at least if we're being honest with ourselves.
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 11, 2024 19:20:18 GMT
Not expecting any change here, but Bromsgrove is slowly changing as a seat and might be worth watching in a couple of elections.
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Post by john07 on Jun 11, 2024 21:00:40 GMT
I agree there should be more local involvement as a rule, but both in 2017 and 2019 loads of Labour candidates were effectively imposed. And you know who was leader then. It was far,far worse, though. Loads? - not many. But now, it's either a shortlist (shouldn't be) or just a candidate decided by the NEC and the right wing. No doubt you would have been cheering Paul McCormick and Julian Lewis (both right-wing Conservatives) when they inflitrated the Newham North East Labour Party in 1977 to ensure that Reg Prentice was not deselected. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2024 21:06:09 GMT
It was far,far worse, though. Loads? - not many. But now, it's either a shortlist (shouldn't be) or just a candidate decided by the NEC and the right wing. No doubt you would have been cheering Paul McCormick and Julian Lewis (both right-wing Conservatives) when they inflitrated the Newham North East Labour Party in 1977 to ensure that Reg Prentice was not deselected. Nothing to do with me. I was 15 then.... |
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