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Post by matureleft on Jun 18, 2024 21:30:35 GMT
Communist League literature electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19502/Interesting for a fat left outfit they're defending Ukraine and Israel as well as Cuba, and also fighting Cancel Culture The candidates says he writes for Militant, but those aren't the Militant newspaper's positions are they? Militant used to have a very strong “workerist” perspective (and be uninterested in what would now be calked “woke” issues). And of course they weren’t fans of the Soviet Union. They would see, with some reason, Putin’s Russia as being the natural successor of that. So no big surprises in what he says. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 18, 2024 21:59:45 GMT
Communist League literature electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19502/Interesting for a fat left outfit they're defending Ukraine and Israel as well as Cuba, and also fighting Cancel Culture The candidates says he writes for Militant, but those aren't the Militant newspaper's positions are they? Militant always had some rather strange positions when they were in the Labour Party. For example, unlike the other left groups they did not support the ANC and the revolutionary movements in South Africa but were looking for a ‘White Revolution’ in the RSA. This stemmed from Ted Grant, who was the intellect behind Militant, and was from South Africa. He stayed with the policy of the old (white led) Communist Party of South Africa that was dissolved in 1950. |
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Post by right on Jun 19, 2024 6:45:38 GMT
Communist League literature electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19502/Interesting for a fat left outfit they're defending Ukraine and Israel as well as Cuba, and also fighting Cancel Culture The candidates says he writes for Militant, but those aren't the Militant newspaper's positions are they? Militant always had some rather strange positions when they were in the Labour Party. For example, unlike the other left groups they did not support the ANC and the revolutionary movements in South Africa but were looking for a ‘White Revolution’ in the RSA. This stemmed from Ted Grant, who was the intellect behind Militant, and was from South Africa. He stayed with the policy of the old (white led) Communist Party of South Africa that was dissolved in 1950. Don't they stand through the Socialist Party? And another leaflet I linked to (in the Birmingham Erdington thread) showed the Socialist Party standing through TUSC. It's interesting that both you and matureleft know quite a bit about their stances in the 1980s, yet on this board of political obsessives we've not yet had an authoritative answer as to what they're doing now. |
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Post by islington on Jun 19, 2024 7:13:16 GMT
Communist League literature electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19502/Interesting for a fat left outfit they're defending Ukraine and Israel as well as Cuba, and also fighting Cancel Culture The candidates says he writes for Militant, but those aren't the Militant newspaper's positions are they? Militant always had some rather strange positions when they were in the Labour Party. For example, unlike the other left groups they did not support the ANC and the revolutionary movements in South Africa but were looking for a ‘White Revolution’ in the RSA. This stemmed from Ted Grant, who was the intellect behind Militant, and was from South Africa. He stayed with the policy of the old (white led) Communist Party of South Africa that was dissolved in 1950. "Workers of the world unite for a white South Africa" (Genuine SACP placard) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 7:47:15 GMT
Militant always had some rather strange positions when they were in the Labour Party. For example, unlike the other left groups they did not support the ANC and the revolutionary movements in South Africa but were looking for a ‘White Revolution’ in the RSA. This stemmed from Ted Grant, who was the intellect behind Militant, and was from South Africa. He stayed with the policy of the old (white led) Communist Party of South Africa that was dissolved in 1950. Don't they stand through the Socialist Party? And another leaflet I linked to (in the Birmingham Erdington thread) showed the Socialist Party standing through TUSC. It's interesting that both you and matureleft know quite a bit about their stances in the 1980s, yet on this board of political obsessives we've not yet had an authoritative answer as to what they're doing now. I guess something must have happened at the end of the 80s which pushed these parties further into obscurity and disarray, making clear motives and stances harder to find/understand  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 8:06:51 GMT
Militant always had some rather strange positions when they were in the Labour Party. For example, unlike the other left groups they did not support the ANC and the revolutionary movements in South Africa but were looking for a ‘White Revolution’ in the RSA. This stemmed from Ted Grant, who was the intellect behind Militant, and was from South Africa. He stayed with the policy of the old (white led) Communist Party of South Africa that was dissolved in 1950. Don't they stand through the Socialist Party? And another leaflet I linked to (in the Birmingham Erdington thread) showed the Socialist Party standing through TUSC. It's interesting that both you and matureleft know quite a bit about their stances in the 1980s, yet on this board of political obsessives we've not yet had an authoritative answer as to what they're doing now. Yes, they do indeed stand through TUSC these days. Actually, they must make up most of it now. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 19, 2024 13:41:36 GMT
Militant always had some rather strange positions when they were in the Labour Party. For example, unlike the other left groups they did not support the ANC and the revolutionary movements in South Africa but were looking for a ‘White Revolution’ in the RSA. This stemmed from Ted Grant, who was the intellect behind Militant, and was from South Africa. He stayed with the policy of the old (white led) Communist Party of South Africa that was dissolved in 1950. Don't they stand through the Socialist Party? And another leaflet I linked to (in the Birmingham Erdington thread) showed the Socialist Party standing through TUSC. It's interesting that both you and matureleft know quite a bit about their stances in the 1980s, yet on this board of political obsessives we've not yet had an authoritative answer as to what they're doing now. Obviously I was far more aware of the policies and antics of Militant from the time when they dominated the LPYS and combative in NOLS. I also had to deal with their presence in both of the above and in the wider Labour Party in Stockport and Coventry. Dave Nellist was candidate in Earlsdon Ward in a by-election shortly after moving to Coventry. We were not yet on the register so avoided the choice of voting Communist, Tory, or abstaining. Our area was moved from Earlsdon to Cheylesmore with the local government review. Subsequently Cheylesmore was shifted from Coventry South West to South East where Nellist had already been selected! There was little evidence of them from my time in Leicester or Edinburgh. In any event they were then expelled from the Labour Party and internal blood letting between the Ted Grant faction and the rest over entryist tactics reduced their profile. I didn’t really follow the policies that Militant followed in their Socialist Alternative, TUSK, and other incarnations. I suspect that as the likes of Ted Grant were expelled that the policy positions of Militant shifted closer to Trot orthodoxy and away from their line from the 1970s and 1980s. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 19, 2024 18:37:39 GMT
Communist League literature electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19502/Interesting for a fat left outfit they're defending Ukraine and Israel as well as Cuba, and also fighting Cancel Culture The candidates says he writes for Militant, but those aren't the Militant newspaper's positions are they? Anti-capitalist until it comes to buying a convenient PO-box address for the imprint. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 4, 2024 5:56:25 GMT
With little more to say on the seat, here's an anecdote from an article the other day about the redevelopment of Manchester.
When the Arndale opened, it fell to the Lord Mayor to open it, and this was noted Rusholme councillor and mathematician Kathleen Ollerenshaw.
The developers pull back the sheets for the grand reveal (or as best you could do with such a massive edifice).
Mrs O apparently looked very unimpressed, and they waited to see what she would say. But she turned to the developers and said politely but firmly:
"It looked rather different on the scale models".
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 6, 2024 19:11:28 GMT
Lowest turnout apparently at just 40%. Interestingly the BBC instead decided to do an article on Leeds South instead (42%) but Rusholme was mentioned in the small print.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 6, 2024 20:47:14 GMT
Lowest turnout apparently at just 40%. Interestingly the BBC instead decided to do an article on Leeds South instead (42%) but Rusholme was mentioned in the small print. Strong Green vote, helped by lack of Lib Dem? |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 6, 2024 21:03:14 GMT
Lowest turnout apparently at just 40%. Interestingly the BBC instead decided to do an article on Leeds South instead (42%) but Rusholme was mentioned in the small print. Strong Green vote, helped by lack of Lib Dem? Possibly, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it would have made little difference and the Greens would still have been second - the Lib Dems certainly underperformed in Labour-held seats given their main focus was being anti-Tory (who knows what they will do now that they are officially opposition to the government!) and I think those who didn't want to support Starmer's Labour this time went straight to the Greens. Heck, that also includes neighbouring Withington which they once held, and now pushed into third by the Greens. They were also 2,000 votes from being second in Cambridge (not dissimilar to Withington in terms of voting habits) where again the Lib Dems went backwards even further. I also think this is now Manchester's 'Student Seat' with both universities in here - and with the election being held out of term time many students may have registered here but not turned out, exacerbating the turnout, and a fair few of the remaining students (postgrads, of which there are plenty) may have gone Green. |
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