john07
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Post by john07 on Jun 28, 2024 19:45:01 GMT
My dad was at uni with the Eagle sisters, another dynasty like the Reeveses and Milibands and Kinnocks. In what way does two siblings pursuing the same career constitute a "dynasty"? Well there were David and Ed coat-tailing on the major political success of Ralph. Not to mention the great Eagle dynasty! Dynasty implies a generational connection between those involved as for example in North Korea. Even then you need at least three generations to come anywhere near. I really wonder what they teach in Universities today? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 28, 2024 20:26:35 GMT
If I were running here, I'd change my name to 'Ringo Starr' or 'Paul McCartney' by deed poll to help my chances. Seriously though, Isn't Maria Eagle one of the last of 'Blair's Babes' from 1997? My dad was at uni with the Eagle sisters, another dynasty like the Reeveses and Milibands and Kinnocks. It was good Jack Straw's son wasn't elected in Rossendale & Darwen a few years back. I wonder if, in a selection battle here, Gorst could've won on a left-wing platform. All the Eagles did when Corbyn was leader was whine and bitch about how awful it all was IIRC. Well, sorry, hard cheddar. It's Merseyside. Expect strong feelings, but criminal damage is obviously beyond the pale. If he wins, this seat will renamed Liverpool Gorston. Glasgow dropped the ball vis-a-vis seat names unlike Liverpool, didn't they? It would be ironic if the last Liverpool seat with Tory Councillors (Woolton - 1994) had some hard left headbanger as MP. I guess the moderate Labour voters who stump for the Lib Dems for the council elections might keep Maria in this seat as MP because I don't know if the rough areas like Speke can outvote the more twee bits around Allerton, Hunts Cross, Much Woolton etc. Still, Liverpool Garston had a long history of marginal status in the 70s and even in 1983 despite the demographics and socio-economic profile dooming the Tories from the early 80s onwards. Still, Sam Gorst is no Jason Zadrozny or Ken Livingstone and probably doesn't have the profile beyond his home Ward to win. I guess Liverpool Labour may still suffer from the Joe Anderson era in the city, but that oaf has gone now. I once joked to a scouser that 'we don't speak about Speke' and he rated me for it. He said "Top craic, pal". I have an excellent Scouse accent from watching Hollyoaks (set across the Mersey in Chester) and can also do a mean Scottish accent and bits of Geordie when called for. It's good to see Liverpool seats get seriously contested. Liverpool Wavertree was the last one in the 2000s. Liverpool Riverside saw the Greens come second in 2015 but they are nowhere near building out Labour's huge advantage around the docks which are still pretty ropey. I know that Liverpool used to mint coins. Did this area ever have an MP with the same profile as say, Eric Heffer, or someone else first elected in 1964? Lots of parachutes in Lpool. I guess Gorston 2024 =/= Edge Hill 1979? I think you need a break from here. This is just 0's and 1's across a piece of cable, not real life. It isn't worth your health either mental or physical in squatting on a forum. If you'd made your post out in binary it might have been better understood.  |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 28, 2024 20:38:11 GMT
In what way does two siblings pursuing the same career constitute a "dynasty"? Well there were David and Ed coat-tailing on the major political success of Ralph. Not to mention the great Eagle dynasty! Dynasty implies a generational connection between those involved as for example in North Korea. Even then you need at least three generations to come anywhere near. I really wonder what they teach in Universities today? They certainly appear to not teach that statements do not end with a question mark. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 20:46:17 GMT
If Gorst wins here, it'd be the first non-Labour victory in a Liverpool seat since Liverpool Mossley Hill re-elected David Alton in 1992. There's your 'Change' result.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 28, 2024 22:41:46 GMT
If Gorst wins here, it'd be the first non-Labour victory in a Liverpool seat since Liverpool Mossley Hill re-elected David Alton in 1992. There's your 'Change' result. He's. Not. Going. To. Win. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 28, 2024 22:54:26 GMT
If Gorst wins here, it'd be the first non-Labour victory in a Liverpool seat since Liverpool Mossley Hill re-elected David Alton in 1992. There's your 'Change' result. If my aunt had balls ... (You know the rest.) |
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Post by Sg1 on Jun 28, 2024 23:17:34 GMT
If Gorst wins here, it'd be the first non-Labour victory in a Liverpool seat since Liverpool Mossley Hill re-elected David Alton in 1992. There's your 'Change' result. If my aunt had balls ... (You know the rest.) Well, it is 2024. |
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Post by Sg1 on Jun 28, 2024 23:20:37 GMT
Because Gorst won a local election here? If that were indicative of General Election success then Stephen Radford would have been elected MP for West Derby decades ago.
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john07
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Post by john07 on Jun 28, 2024 23:23:55 GMT
Because Gorst won a local election here? If that were indicative of General Election success then Stephen Radford would have been elected MP for West Derby decades ago. Any the Heald Green Ratepayers would have represented Cheadle Constituency since the 1960s. |
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Post by batman on Jun 28, 2024 23:32:40 GMT
Epsom and Ewell Council has been controlled by the Residents Association since 1937….
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 1:28:09 GMT
Because Gorst won a local election here? If that were indicative of General Election success then Stephen Radford would have been elected MP for West Derby decades ago. I gave you five reasons why Gorst will 'do pretty well' not just unreason he'd win. I've never been one for single factor determinism on this site or elsewhere. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 29, 2024 1:59:04 GMT
Because Gorst won a local election here? If that were indicative of General Election success then Stephen Radford would have been elected MP for West Derby decades ago. I gave you five reasons why Gorst will 'do pretty well' not just unreason he'd win. I've never been one for single factor determinism on this site or elsewhere. You actually stated reasons why you think he'll do well, not a statement that he will, until you went on your subsequent flight of fancy. You have zero understanding of Liverpool politics, zero understanding of Liverpool as a city and less than zero reason to plough this particular furrow. So stop it please before you make yourself look even more ridiculous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 2:01:30 GMT
Epsom and Ewell Council has been controlled by the Residents Association since 1937…. The Ashfield Independents run Ashfield Council and I'm they under the Zadrozny banner are well-placed to win the Parliamentary constituency next Thursday... |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 29, 2024 10:50:41 GMT
Gorst is a controversial figure who only narrowly won his seat last year. Not all Independents have similar appeal.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jun 30, 2024 1:00:25 GMT
Five reasons I think Gorst will do pretty well here: 1) An independent got 40% of the vote in the 2021 Liverpool Mayoral race 2) Gorst did very well in his ward in the locals, with the LCI winning 2/2 3) The Independents won multiple Liverpool wards, not just Garston 4) Maria Eagle has been MP for 27 years and voter fatigue is a thing 5) It's Liverpool we're talking about, the home of Militant I'd ideally like to know what locals think, including Merseymike . To take part in this discussion, you have to read my post and this article in a Scouse accent: skwawkbox.org/2024/02/21/gorst-launches-campaign-to-oust-eagle-in-garston/. I know Gorst, he's a decent local councillor, but too much of a marmite figure with some very questionable statements in the past. If his seat was in a less salubrious part of Liverpool, it's possible that he might win. However, the southern end of Liverpool is not going to be tempted by that brand of opposition to Labour, to the extent that he needs to win (he may do well in Speke and Garston itself as the exceptions to the rule). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2024 6:12:36 GMT
Five reasons I think Gorst will do pretty well here: 1) An independent got 40% of the vote in the 2021 Liverpool Mayoral race 2) Gorst did very well in his ward in the locals, with the LCI winning 2/2 3) The Independents won multiple Liverpool wards, not just Garston 4) Maria Eagle has been MP for 27 years and voter fatigue is a thing 5) It's Liverpool we're talking about, the home of Militant I'd ideally like to know what locals think, including Merseymike . To take part in this discussion, you have to read my post and this article in a Scouse accent: skwawkbox.org/2024/02/21/gorst-launches-campaign-to-oust-eagle-in-garston/. I know Gorst, he's a decent local councillor, but too much of a marmite figure with some very questionable statements in the past. If his seat was in a less salubrious part of Liverpool, it's possible that he might win. However, the southern end of Liverpool is not going to be tempted by that brand of opposition to Labour, to the extent that he needs to win (he may do well in Speke and Garston itself as the exceptions to the rule). Yes. I think Liverpool's left-wing reputation is a bit overhyped by some. There was a lot of love for Corybn in the city, and Labour conferences were well-attended when he was LOTO. Still, parts of Allerton, Hunts Cross, Woolton, and Grassendale weren't Militant strongholds (and weren't in the 80s either). Gorst and his running mate did better than some might think in May, IIRC. They are standing in Fazakerley ward next Thursday, so it'll be interesting to see if they can replicate their Garston result. Is Sam Gorst the new Eric Heffer or something? He certainly seems like a character. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jul 1, 2024 12:46:24 GMT
I know Gorst, he's a decent local councillor, but too much of a marmite figure with some very questionable statements in the past. If his seat was in a less salubrious part of Liverpool, it's possible that he might win. However, the southern end of Liverpool is not going to be tempted by that brand of opposition to Labour, to the extent that he needs to win (he may do well in Speke and Garston itself as the exceptions to the rule). Yes. I think Liverpool's left-wing reputation is a bit overhyped by some. There was a lot of love for Corybn in the city, and Labour conferences were well-attended when he was LOTO. Still, parts of Allerton, Hunts Cross, Woolton, and Grassendale weren't Militant strongholds (and weren't in the 80s either). Gorst and his running mate did better than some might think in May, IIRC. They are standing in Fazakerley ward next Thursday, so it'll be interesting to see if they can replicate their Garston result. Is Sam Gorst the new Eric Heffer or something? He certainly seems like a character. It's more that south Liverpool is generally an outlier from the rest of the city in the support for more bourgeois parties. I don't think Sam Gorst is a political tycoon or set to become one - there's a wider organisation with the Liverpool Community Independents which is the combined force (including people like Alan Gibbons etc.) |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 9, 2024 10:58:46 GMT
Whilst @weld did get some of their "surprise" calls right (or almost right) that certainly wasn't the case here where Sam Gorst got less than 8%.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 12:03:12 GMT
Whilst @weld did get some of their "surprise" calls right (or almost right) that certainly wasn't the case here where Sam Gorst got less than 8%. Correct. A broken clock is right twice a day. |
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