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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 11:14:27 GMT
I'd forgot about the BBC influence. As a former University Challenge contestant, I can attest to the vast scale of MediaCity. It's the Canary Wharf of journalism.
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 11:30:20 GMT
The actual prediction however might not be a million miles out notwithstanding the rather slipshod analysis re the trams.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 11:31:30 GMT
I guess there has presumably also been a lot change in Manchester's economy too - I'm guessing it's less private sector than it was when Anthony Barber was the MP.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2024 11:46:34 GMT
I guess there has presumably also been a lot change in Manchester's economy too - I'm guessing it's less private sector than it was when Anthony Barber was the MP. It's probably more that it's a shift in which jobs are where and what they are. Trafford was heavily focussed on Trafford Park and the Docks/Quays and the closer in you went, the more people there would be employed in the park. Which sounds obvious, but it also made these places self-contained worlds. Places like Urmston were a microcosm of larger cities, with everything from 2 up 2 down terraces through to 3 bed semis to big detached houses to the odd (essentially) mansion. Everyone who lived there worked in the park, from the factory line to the boardroom. Prices were cheap because, frankly, some of these places were also quite insular and removed from the wider conurbation. Sale and Altrincham had a similar thing but more pronounced commuter populations for Manchester. End result - as Trafford Park became more service-based, and the docks had to shut, and Manchester was tarted up, this world unwound. It had to. The Village was essentially abandoned as well. Which meant that the BBC crowd and those pushing out of Chorlton found some very underpriced housing in nice areas. The locals sold up for good money (sometimes eyewateringly so) and new people moved in. Now these places are unrecognisable. I know I'd struggle to buy on the road I grew up on. And the same goes for lots of my old friends, almost all of whom have had to move on. But that's life. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 17, 2024 17:28:25 GMT
I'd forgot about the BBC influence. As a former University Challenge contestant, I can attest to the vast scale of MediaCity. It's the Canary Wharf of journalism. Indeed, one of our first two councillors elected moved here because his job with the BBC was moved. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 17, 2024 17:32:08 GMT
I guess there has presumably also been a lot change in Manchester's economy too - I'm guessing it's less private sector than it was when Anthony Barber was the MP. It's probably more that it's a shift in which jobs are where and what they are. Trafford was heavily focussed on Trafford Park and the Docks/Quays and the closer in you went, the more people there would be employed in the park. Which sounds obvious, but it also made these places self-contained worlds. Places like Urmston were a microcosm of larger cities, with everything from 2 up 2 down terraces through to 3 bed semis to big detached houses to the odd (essentially) mansion. Everyone who lived there worked in the park, from the factory line to the boardroom. Prices were cheap because, frankly, some of these places were also quite insular and removed from the wider conurbation. Sale and Altrincham had a similar thing but more pronounced commuter populations for Manchester. End result - as Trafford Park became more service-based, and the docks had to shut, and Manchester was tarted up, this world unwound. It had to. The Village was essentially abandoned as well. Which meant that the BBC crowd and those pushing out of Chorlton found some very underpriced housing in nice areas. The locals sold up for good money (sometimes eyewateringly so) and new people moved in. Now these places are unrecognisable. I know I'd struggle to buy on the road I grew up on. And the same goes for lots of my old friends, almost all of whom have had to move on. But that's life. There's a generational trend that's visible in census data, which is the 'white Irish' and Irish passport holder figures. The first generation of immigrants often settled in Moss Side & Rusholme, then a lot of the second generation were able to get based in a (then still-modestly-priced) Chorlton. Now, some of that second generation plus the third have followed this route west, into Stretford and beyond. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 17, 2024 18:13:29 GMT
That Irish wave was definitely in Chorlton in the Seventies, and definitely has moved out now. There was a story a while back that Chorlton Irish Club was struggling, which would have been a real surprise even ten years ago. Likewise the Irish club up Wilbraham Road - St Kentigerns isn't it? Which would match your suspicion.
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Post by trickyreturns on Jun 17, 2024 21:53:42 GMT
I'd forgot about the BBC influence. As a former University Challenge contestant, I can attest to the vast scale of MediaCity. It's the Canary Wharf of journalism. Clearly you are but a young child. When I was on University Challenge it was filmed in Granada Studios. Also Manchester Davyhulme was probably the safest Tory seat in Greater Manchester when I did that. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 17, 2024 23:22:24 GMT
I'd forgot about the BBC influence. As a former University Challenge contestant, I can attest to the vast scale of MediaCity. It's the Canary Wharf of journalism. Back in the day, University Challenge was nothing to do with the BBC as it was produced by Granada for ITV. It was produced at the same studio on Quay Street in Manchester even after it was revived for the BBC. It eventually moved to an ITV studio in Salford. It remained an ITV production despite being aired latterly on the BBC. Dear @weld, please stop sprouting shite on every thread when it is clear you haven’t an arse clue what you are talking about. Just give us all a break! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 18, 2024 5:33:32 GMT
I'd forgot about the BBC influence. As a former University Challenge contestant, I can attest to the vast scale of MediaCity. It's the Canary Wharf of journalism. Clearly you are but a young child. When I was on University Challenge it was filmed in Granada Studios. Also Manchester Davyhulme was probably the safest Tory seat in Greater Manchester when I did that. Davyhulme was never the safest Conservative seat in Greater Manchester |
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Post by batman on Jun 18, 2024 7:00:57 GMT
No. Altrincham & Sale was always safer for starters
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Post by trickyreturns on Jun 18, 2024 20:23:07 GMT
Fair enough. For some reason I always thought Davyhulme had the bigger majorities but I bow to greater research
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 18, 2024 20:32:52 GMT
On the topic of Davyhulme (which takes me back, as it was Davyhulme when I first realised about elections, and Davyhulme is specifically where I am from): the Liberal candidate there in 83 and 87 was Dennis Wrigley, who was also the Liberal candidate at the High Peak by-election in 1961. Does anyone know if he stood elsewhere in the interim, or afterwards?
(Davyhulme was a very odd choice of name for the seat. It would be like renaming Hazel Grove as "High Lane").
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 18, 2024 20:56:02 GMT
On the topic of Davyhulme (which takes me back, as it was Davyhulme when I first realised about elections, and Davyhulme is specifically where I am from): the Liberal candidate there in 83 and 87 was Dennis Wrigley, who was also the Liberal candidate at the High Peak by-election in 1961. Does anyone know if he stood elsewhere in the interim, or afterwards? (Davyhulme was a very odd choice of name for the seat. It would be like renaming Hazel Grove as "High Lane"). You rang?
As was often the case with Liberal candidates in those days, he stuck at it and was the candidate in the General Elections of 1964, 1966 and 1970.
He had previously been the Liberal candidate in Oldham East in 1959, and became the candidate for High Peak after the previous Liberal candidate Stephen Cawley resigned his candidacy in May 1960. The 1961 by election was presumably an unexpected surprise for him.
His candidacty in Davyhulme was preceded by him being the Liberal candidate in Stretford in both '74 elections and 1979 . The SDP got the nomination in 1983 which is presumably why he moved to Davyhulme.
An Industrial Designer/Consultant he re-appears in the 1990s as the National Chair of a group called Mararantha a cross Christian group who railed against the decline of moral standards in society. There is a long interview with him in the Manchester Evening News in December 1993: "There is a fundamental sickness in our culture now which is desperately serious". He seems to have gone to Northern Ireland a lot to try and promote reconciliation.
He himself was a Methodist and his family could trace their Methodism back to the founding days with John Wesley. One paper refers to him as the Rev Dennis Wrigley, but I'm not sure this was correct.
He died in 2015. His obituary in Lib Dem Voice was written by the late Lord Greaves, who knew him of old, but seemed to think he had given up on politics after 1970.
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 19, 2024 0:27:45 GMT
I think we can safely say the Conservatives' luck has finally run out in this constituency and that after this election there will not be a single Conservative seat in Greater Manchester (from 2001-10 it was the only one). Luck and demographics. The writings has been on the wall for a while. That Graham Brady is a local probably kept it Tory for longer than it might have been. If there ends up being not one Conservative seat in Greater Manchester this time out, Alty won't be the first one back in an upturn. It is just not the same seat as in 2010. I can see this constituency going the way of Tynemouth in the long term - a traditionally Conservative seat which now looks basically out of reach except in an exceptional year for the party. Clearly there are some differences (this is more uniformly affluent than Tynemouth) but both are prosperous suburban seats with good public transport links to a major city and relatively liberal middle aged professionals dominant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 2:56:37 GMT
Luck and demographics. The writings has been on the wall for a while. That Graham Brady is a local probably kept it Tory for longer than it might have been. If there ends up being not one Conservative seat in Greater Manchester this time out, Alty won't be the first one back in an upturn. It is just not the same seat as in 2010. I can see this constituency going the way of Tynemouth in the long term - a traditionally Conservative seat which now looks basically out of reach except in an exceptional year for the party. Clearly there are some differences (this is more uniformly affluent than Tynemouth) but both are prosperous suburban seats with good public transport links to a major city and relatively liberal middle aged professionals dominant. Rushcliffe, Sefton Central, York Outer, and the Wirrals say hi. |
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Post by srijan on Jun 22, 2024 9:38:48 GMT
Based on what I've seen, there is definite strength in the Labour vote on the national level around Broadheath, with a few stakes up around the area. This area was hyper-marginal in the 2024 local elections, where Labour defeated an incumbent Conservative to win the ward. Labour also believes there is going to be a strong vote in Altrincham in their favour - and the Sale West area (the roads off Manor Avenue leading into Ashton-upon-Mersey) has been flipped since the election to being a pretty Labour area.
What might be more interesting is that Labour appear to be doing well in the Lib Dem leaning Timperley - where the Conservatives used to be quite strong, and where former Trafford Conservative leaders have been elected from. It does look like it'll be the perfect storm against the Tories, even if Labour don't make as many inroads into Hale.
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