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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 2, 2024 12:45:43 GMT
I find it hard to believe these people didn’t know that this is what Reform was all about? They're individuals who don't understand parties and are acting as such. Reform is an amalgam of individuals, it isn't a traditional party, where people learn to stand and fight their corner, for their views. It is this that is Reform's weakness and what will hold it back from going further than it has, unless it adapts. |
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Post by Jack on Jul 2, 2024 12:47:47 GMT
I find it hard to believe these people didn’t know that this is what Reform was all about? Because it isn't. |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 2, 2024 13:27:57 GMT
I find it hard to believe these people didn’t know that this is what Reform was all about? Because it isn't. It absolutely is. Otherwise you'e be able to inform us of the voting figures in the recent Reform UK Ltd leadership election or the Clacton reselection. |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 13:45:16 GMT
It absolutely is. Otherwise you'e be able to inform us of the voting figures in the recent Reform UK Ltd leadership election or the Clacton reselection. Why does that obsess you? We all know the structure of Reform |
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Post by john07 on Jul 2, 2024 13:50:17 GMT
It absolutely is. Otherwise you'e be able to inform us of the voting figures in the recent Reform UK Ltd leadership election or the Clacton reselection. Why does that obsession you? We all know the structure of Reform We all know that the ‘leader’ of Reform stood down and Farage ‘emerged’ as the new leader without any apparent nomination process or vote. We can only assume that no conventional democratic structure exists. |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 13:51:36 GMT
Why does that obsession you? We all know the structure of Reform We all know that the ‘leader’ of Reform stood down and Farage ‘emerged’ as the new leader without any apparent nomination process or vote. We can only assume that no conventional democratic structure exists. Why does that bother you? We all already know |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 2, 2024 13:52:37 GMT
It absolutely is. Otherwise you'e be able to inform us of the voting figures in the recent Reform UK Ltd leadership election or the Clacton reselection. Why does that obsess you? We all know the structure of Reform Then explain it to Jack. He seems to think it's not a vanity project, bless 'im. |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 13:54:59 GMT
Why does that obsess you? We all know the structure of Reform Then explain it to Jack. He seems to think it's not a vanity project, bless 'im. You're suggesting that Farage doesn't have a political agenda? That he's just in it for self-aggrandisement? Seriously? |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 13:56:41 GMT
Why does that obsession you? We all know the structure of Reform We all know that the ‘leader’ of Reform stood down and Farage ‘emerged’ as the new leader without any apparent nomination process or vote. We can only assume that no conventional democratic structure exists. Why does that bother you? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 2, 2024 14:04:46 GMT
Why does that obsess you? We all know the structure of Reform Then explain it to Jack. He seems to think it's not a vanity project, bless 'im.
Reform is a party that is needed because it represents something that none of the other parties do. Yes, Nigel Farage has an ego and he can attract votes, but Reform was still polling reasonably without him. Nigel Farage definately has a big ego, is he vain, I'm not so sure. Calling Reform a vanity project is wrong, calling Reform something that stokes Nigel Farage's ego, like the Workers Party does George Galloway's, I would say something is nearer the mark, you can't call Reform JUST a vanity project.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 2, 2024 14:05:43 GMT
We all know that the ‘leader’ of Reform stood down and Farage ‘emerged’ as the new leader without any apparent nomination process or vote. We can only assume that no conventional democratic structure exists. Why does that bother you?
Because he wanted Reform UK to elect a female leader before Labour does.  |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 2, 2024 14:16:45 GMT
Then explain it to Jack. He seems to think it's not a vanity project, bless 'im. You're suggesting that Farage doesn't have a political agenda? That he's just in it for self-aggrandisement? Seriously? I'm saying - but obviously not typing slowly enough for you - that the vehicle he and his dark money backers have chosen to build to pursue his agenda is a vanity project. There is no internal democratic process, candidates are not selected but allocated as though it's the Court of St James. They are installed or withdrawn at the will of the major shareholder so every 'mistake' made in placing them is down to him. But he runs away from all that. It's supposedly the fault of some vetting company that couldn't cope with the sheer volume of crap to wade through, or of the press that he and Tice said they were expecting to weed out the crazies but turned on the media when they started to report the awful truths. |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 14:28:06 GMT
You're suggesting that Farage doesn't have a political agenda? That he's just in it for self-aggrandisement? Seriously? I'm saying - but obviously not typing slowly enough for you - that the vehicle he and his dark money backers have chosen to build to pursue his agenda is a vanity project. There is no internal democratic process, candidates are not selected but allocated as though it's the Court of St James. They are installed or withdrawn at the will of the major shareholder so every 'mistake' made in placing them is down to him. But he runs away from all that. It's supposedly the fault of some vetting company that couldn't cope with the sheer volume of crap to wade through, or of the press that he and Tice said they were expecting to weed out the crazies but turned on the media when they started to report the awful truths. Classic displacement activity. You don't like what he stands for so you alight upon something else altogether and pretend that is your concern. Is that explained simply enough for you? |
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Post by Foggy on Jul 2, 2024 17:33:37 GMT
You're suggesting that Farage doesn't have a political agenda? That he's just in it for self-aggrandisement? Seriously? I'm saying - but obviously not typing slowly enough for you - that the vehicle he and his dark money backers have chosen to build to pursue his agenda is a vanity project. There is no internal democratic process, candidates are not selected but allocated as though it's the Court of St James. They are installed or withdrawn at the will of the major shareholder so every 'mistake' made in placing them is down to him. But he runs away from all that. It's supposedly the fault of some vetting company that couldn't cope with the sheer volume of crap to wade through, or of the press that he and Tice said they were expecting to weed out the crazies but turned on the media when they started to report the awful truths. It does not seem unreasonable to expect that the internal processes of an organisation taking part in a democratic event are themselves both formalised and democratic, and I would go far as to say that it should be made a statutory requirement for any nationally registered party. Sadly, there are posters on here would deem that an unacceptable restriction on liberty, or some such phrase. The mere fact that the structure of Reform is common knowledge on here does not make it okay. |
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Post by john07 on Jul 2, 2024 17:40:38 GMT
I'm saying - but obviously not typing slowly enough for you - that the vehicle he and his dark money backers have chosen to build to pursue his agenda is a vanity project. There is no internal democratic process, candidates are not selected but allocated as though it's the Court of St James. They are installed or withdrawn at the will of the major shareholder so every 'mistake' made in placing them is down to him. But he runs away from all that. It's supposedly the fault of some vetting company that couldn't cope with the sheer volume of crap to wade through, or of the press that he and Tice said they were expecting to weed out the crazies but turned on the media when they started to report the awful truths. It does not seem unreasonable to expect that the internal processes of an organisation taking part in a democratic event are themselves both formalised and democratic, and I would go far as to say that it should be made a statutory requirement for any nationally registered party. Sadly, there are posters on here would deem that an unacceptable restriction on liberty, or some such phrase. The mere fact that the structure of Reform is common knowledge on here does not make it okay. Reform do operate on the One Member One Vote basis. Nigel Farage is that member. |
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Post by Foggy on Jul 2, 2024 18:50:25 GMT
It does not seem unreasonable to expect that the internal processes of an organisation taking part in a democratic event are themselves both formalised and democratic, and I would go far as to say that it should be made a statutory requirement for any nationally registered party. Sadly, there are posters on here would deem that an unacceptable restriction on liberty, or some such phrase. The mere fact that the structure of Reform is common knowledge on here does not make it okay. Reform do operate on the One Member One Vote basis. Nigel Farage is that member. Ah, the Geert Wilders model. Not one that any serious political force should want to emulate even if it's technically allowed. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 2, 2024 20:18:37 GMT
I'm saying - but obviously not typing slowly enough for you - that the vehicle he and his dark money backers have chosen to build to pursue his agenda is a vanity project. There is no internal democratic process, candidates are not selected but allocated as though it's the Court of St James. They are installed or withdrawn at the will of the major shareholder so every 'mistake' made in placing them is down to him. But he runs away from all that. It's supposedly the fault of some vetting company that couldn't cope with the sheer volume of crap to wade through, or of the press that he and Tice said they were expecting to weed out the crazies but turned on the media when they started to report the awful truths. It does not seem unreasonable to expect that the internal processes of an organisation taking part in a democratic event are themselves both formalised and democratic, and I would go far as to say that it should be made a statutory requirement for any nationally registered party. Sadly, there are posters on here would deem that an unacceptable restriction on liberty, or some such phrase. The mere fact that the structure of Reform is common knowledge on here does not make it okay. I am pleased to assert that any party must have the right to run itself in any manner it sees fit, under any system or no system at all, and with any rules or no rules at all. These are all quite private internal matters like conduct within a family. Frankly it is no damn business of yours or any of the other interfering busybodies on this site. |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 20:25:46 GMT
I'm saying - but obviously not typing slowly enough for you - that the vehicle he and his dark money backers have chosen to build to pursue his agenda is a vanity project. There is no internal democratic process, candidates are not selected but allocated as though it's the Court of St James. They are installed or withdrawn at the will of the major shareholder so every 'mistake' made in placing them is down to him. But he runs away from all that. It's supposedly the fault of some vetting company that couldn't cope with the sheer volume of crap to wade through, or of the press that he and Tice said they were expecting to weed out the crazies but turned on the media when they started to report the awful truths. It does not seem unreasonable to expect that the internal processes of an organisation taking part in a democratic event are themselves both formalised and democratic, and I would go far as to say that it should be made a statutory requirement for any nationally registered party. Sadly, there are posters on here would deem that an unacceptable restriction on liberty, or some such phrase. The mere fact that the structure of Reform is common knowledge on here does not make it okay. The internal affairs of a political party are a matter only for that party and it's members |
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Post by john07 on Jul 2, 2024 20:32:22 GMT
It does not seem unreasonable to expect that the internal processes of an organisation taking part in a democratic event are themselves both formalised and democratic, and I would go far as to say that it should be made a statutory requirement for any nationally registered party. Sadly, there are posters on here would deem that an unacceptable restriction on liberty, or some such phrase. The mere fact that the structure of Reform is common knowledge on here does not make it okay. The internal affairs of a political party are a matter only for that party and it's members It might be of some interest to potential voters. The attacks on the Union bloc vote was long a feature of press articles. |
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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2024 20:47:58 GMT
The internal affairs of a political party are a matter only for that party and it's members It might be of some interest to potential voters. The attacks on the Union bloc vote was long a feature of press articles. I think potential voters are more concerned with pressure on wages, house prices, open borders, the diminution of savings etc etc etc. The criticism of Reform's internal workings are just a displacement activity to avoid open and free debate about the issues I've outlined above |
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