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Post by finsobruce on Aug 11, 2024 21:36:27 GMT
The first round of the EFL season saw Bromley play an away match at Harrogate. So that would be a Lib Dem v Conservative match. This will be a somewhat rare event this season to have a match with neither team from a Labour constituency, at least in England. Harrogate or at Harrogate Town, please. Unless you are the sort of person who wilfully disrespects Harrogate Railway Athletic by failing to specify which senior team in said Yorkshire spa town you're referring to? Well since Harrogate town are in the EFL and Harrogate Railway are not, it should be obvious.  |
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Post by Foggy on Aug 11, 2024 21:42:33 GMT
In Harrogate or at Harrogate Town, please. Unless you are the sort of person who wilfully disrespects Harrogate Railway Athletic by failing to specify which senior team in said Yorkshire spa town you're referring to? Well since Harrogate town are in the EFL and Harrogate Railway are not, it should be obvious. The same is true of "Oxford" United and Oxford City, Cambridge United and Cambridge City, etc. - but it is still poor manners not to make the distinction, even given the context. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 11, 2024 23:12:32 GMT
And I suppose you think that is wrong to refer to "Liverpool" as there is another club of that name in Uruguay?
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Post by Foggy on Aug 12, 2024 0:50:15 GMT
And I suppose you think that is wrong to refer to "Liverpool" as there is another club of that name in Uruguay? Until such time as the latter up sticks from Montevideo to Merseyside, then you suppose incorrectly. This is about clubs in Britain who hail from the same settlement and are too often referred to in lazy ambiguous shorthand by both lay followers and "professional" journalists alike. Of course there's nothing rude about calling Liverpool Football Club simply "Liverpool" and only a nincompoop would think that it implies any disrespect towards Liverpool Fútbol Club whose existence on another continent is immaterial in this discussion. |
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Post by john07 on Aug 12, 2024 1:20:24 GMT
The first round of the EFL season saw Bromley play an away match at Harrogate. So that would be a Lib Dem v Conservative match. This will be a somewhat rare event this season to have a match with neither team from a Labour constituency, at least in England. Harrogate or at Harrogate Town, please. Unless you are the sort of person who wilfully disrespects Harrogate Railway Athletic by failing to specify which senior team in said Yorkshire spa town you're referring to? You are somewhat off beam for a pedant. I said that Bromley played an EFL away match at Harrogate. What is inaccurate about that statement? If I said that Manchester City will open the defence of their Premier League campaign next Sunday in Fulham it would be correct. The tube station is Fulham Broadway. Stamford Bridge was the base for the London Athletic Club for 28 years before it became the base for Chelsea FC in 1905. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 12, 2024 1:24:09 GMT
Labour got a Biggin swing here.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 12, 2024 2:34:56 GMT
In Harrogate or at Harrogate Town, please. Unless you are the sort of person who wilfully disrespects Harrogate Railway Athletic by failing to specify which senior team in said Yorkshire spa town you're referring to? You are somewhat off beam for a pedant. I said that Bromley played an EFL away match at Harrogate. What is inaccurate about that statement? If I said that Manchester City will open the defence of their Premier League campaign next Sunday in Fulham it would be correct. The tube station is Fulham Broadway. Stamford Bridge was the base for the London Athletic Club for 28 years before it became the base for Chelsea FC in 1905. Well, there's only one tube station named after a football club and we know it's not in Fulham. And of course there was an even more famous Stamford Bridge a full 811 years prior to the London Athletic Club taking up residence on the sporting site of that name. But neither of those things has anything to do with calling football teams by improper shortenings which is plain poor form. If anything, the fact that Harrogate Town and Bromley are recent newcomers to League Two should demonstrate that professional status is no longer fixed (in all senses of the word), so the all-too-common practice ignoring the very existence of clubs from the same places in senior divisions below the EFL should not be encouraged. |
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Post by Ports on Aug 12, 2024 6:52:37 GMT
The first round of the EFL season saw Bromley play an away match at Harrogate. So that would be a Lib Dem v Conservative match. This will be a somewhat rare event this season to have a match with neither team from a Labour constituency, at least in England. More common in the national league - I went to watch Eastleigh away at Maidenhead United on Saturday and of course I thought about the all Lib Dem matchup. There's also Sutton United, Woking and Yeovil Town in the division for that purpose. Yet even in that league there are fewer clubs in Conservative seats - only AFC Fylde, Braintree Town, Solihull Moors and Barnet (whose ground is actually in Harrow East). The rest are all in Labour seats except for Boston United which is of course in a seat represented by Reform. I have edited to ensure all names might be to Foggy's satisfaction... |
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Post by john07 on Aug 12, 2024 9:53:17 GMT
You are somewhat off beam for a pedant. I said that Bromley played an EFL away match at Harrogate. What is inaccurate about that statement? If I said that Manchester City will open the defence of their Premier League campaign next Sunday in Fulham it would be correct. The tube station is Fulham Broadway. Stamford Bridge was the base for the London Athletic Club for 28 years before it became the base for Chelsea FC in 1905. Well, there's only one tube station named after a football club and we know it's not in Fulham. And of course there was an even more famous Stamford Bridge a full 811 years prior to the London Athletic Club taking up residence on the sporting site of that name. But neither of those things has anything to do with calling football teams by improper shortenings which is plain poor form. If anything, the fact that Harrogate Town and Bromley are recent newcomers to League Two should demonstrate that professional status is no longer fixed (in all senses of the word), so the all-too-common practice ignoring the very existence of clubs from the same places in senior divisions below the EFL should not be encouraged. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my original post regarding a match played in Harrogate. When in a hole, it is usually best to stop digging! |
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Post by Foggy on Aug 12, 2024 20:44:26 GMT
Well, there's only one tube station named after a football club and we know it's not in Fulham. And of course there was an even more famous Stamford Bridge a full 811 years prior to the London Athletic Club taking up residence on the sporting site of that name. But neither of those things has anything to do with calling football teams by improper shortenings which is plain poor form. If anything, the fact that Harrogate Town and Bromley are recent newcomers to League Two should demonstrate that professional status is no longer fixed (in all senses of the word), so the all-too-common practice ignoring the very existence of clubs from the same places in senior divisions below the EFL should not be encouraged. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my original post regarding a match played in Harrogate. When in a hole, it is usually best to stop digging! Your original fact was indeed a top piece of trivia, but it was either about this seat and Harrogate & Knaresborough, or else about Harrogate Town v Bromley, not simply about "Harrogate" with no further qualification. Now where did I put my shovel? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 14, 2024 9:31:01 GMT
Well since Harrogate town are in the EFL and Harrogate Railway are not, it should be obvious. The same is true of "Oxford" United and Oxford City, Cambridge United and Cambridge City, etc. - but it is still poor manners not to make the distinction, even given the context. I don't think even Cambridge City fans (all six of them) would be offended by referring to Cambridge United as Cambridge. Where one team is clearly much higher up the pyramid than the other, there's little likelihood of confusion and the only reason to take offence is that you wish to be offended. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 9:51:29 GMT
The same is true of "Oxford" United and Oxford City, Cambridge United and Cambridge City, etc. - but it is still poor manners not to make the distinction, even given the context. I don't think even Cambridge City fans (all six of them) would be offended by referring to Cambridge United as Cambridge. Where one team is clearly much higher up the pyramid than the other, there's little likelihood of confusion and the only reason to take offence is that you wish to be offended. Let's merge these no-hoper small teams. And what about 'Manchester City United', 'Liverpool Everton', 'London United' etc. |
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Post by batman on Aug 14, 2024 10:11:18 GMT
The same is true of "Oxford" United and Oxford City, Cambridge United and Cambridge City, etc. - but it is still poor manners not to make the distinction, even given the context. I don't think even Cambridge City fans (all six of them) would be offended by referring to Cambridge United as Cambridge. Where one team is clearly much higher up the pyramid than the other, there's little likelihood of confusion and the only reason to take offence is that you wish to be offended. One of my Facebook friends is one of the six Cambridge City fans. I know him through an international cricket forum on Facebook. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 14, 2024 11:02:14 GMT
My other half used to live just round the corner from the stadium, back when they did actually play in Cambridge.
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Post by batman on Aug 14, 2024 13:04:22 GMT
Funnily enough the City of Cambridge Brewery is also outside the city boundaries.
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Post by ColinJ on Aug 14, 2024 13:05:48 GMT
This ended up being very close, with Conservatives winning by just 302 votes over Labour. I did think there was an outside chance of a shock win here. Does anyone know how actively Labour campaigned? Oana used to work in the Labour Group office in Harrow. I know of Harrow councillors, past and present, who on occasion went over to campaign for her. They probably wouldn't have gone right across London to do this unless a decent campaign was being conducted by Labour, given the obvious target in their own back yard. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 14, 2024 19:31:44 GMT
I don't think even Cambridge City fans (all six of them) would be offended by referring to Cambridge United as Cambridge. Where one team is clearly much higher up the pyramid than the other, there's little likelihood of confusion and the only reason to take offence is that you wish to be offended. Let's merge these no-hoper small teams. And what about 'Manchester City United', 'Liverpool Everton', 'London United' etc. I can only imagine suggesting such a thing to a Toffee. It might end in murder. |
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Post by mikerodent on Nov 6, 2024 8:42:30 GMT
This ended up being very close, with Conservatives winning by just 302 votes over Labour. I did think there was an outside chance of a shock win here. Does anyone know how actively Labour campaigned? I am a member of the Labour party and also a resident of Bromley and Biggin Hill constituency. I helped the (parachuted-in) candidate Oana with canvassing. To answer your question: the central Labour Party deliberately sabotaged this seat. They decided to do this many months before July. I was initially surprised at the weak whimpering I heard from the local party organiser-members in March or April when I asked why the constituency didn't yet have a Westminster candidate (central party had prohibited them from choosing a candidate, and they sat there and accepted that). During the campaign the central party got not only BBH party members but also Oana herself (the candidate!) to spend most of her time campaigning and canvassing in OTHER constituencies. Why exactly the local Bromley party members were so stupid and supine as to accept the central party's assessment about the winnability of BBH and accept their orders like sheep, I don't care to speculate: stupidity is as stupidity does. Yes, in the end we lost by 300 votes. Despite our campaign having been completely sabotaged and undermined at every turn due to the lazy, crap judgement of the central party organisation. Despite Oana having been parachuted in from outside the borough literally days before she actually stood as the candidate. I personally got a consolation prize: I put £150 on the Tory winning at 12-5, two days before the election, so won £360. The bookies were, clearly, completely convinced that Labour would win. What they reckoned without was the central party's organisers deciding to sabotage their own local party members and their own parachuted-in candidate. It was not just poor judgement, in my view. A bigger factor was, in my opinion, their laziness: they didn't know Bromley and couldn't be f*cked to find out anything about it or the party members there. |
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Post by batman on Nov 6, 2024 9:05:57 GMT
"parachuted in"? She's a councillor in Downham which is literally next door to this constituency.
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Post by mikerodent on Nov 6, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
"parachuted in"? She's a councillor in Downham which is literally next door to this constituency. Grow up. "Parachuting-in" refers to any phenomenon where the central party chooses a candidate without consulting the local members. Geography has nothing to do with it, as you know perfectly well. Cut the cr*p, since life's too short. Thanks.
If you're a defender of the Party machine, perhaps you're familiar with the NEC's protestations that they "recognise" that members are unhappy with parachuting "and are committed" to reforming that.
More specific considerations applied in this year's campaign, however: central party were clearly terrified of the Corbynite rump amongst members. Since they couldn't be bothered to find anything out about Bromley they obviously assumed that local members might be stupid enough to choose a Corbynite candidate. That's a pretty flimsy excuse for sabotage on this scale. Had they stood no candidate we could all have voted for the LibDems (who were however a distant third, according to all the polling: a strong point we emphasised on the doorstep, and to which many potential voters were responsive). |
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