YL
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Either Labour leaning or Lib Dem leaning but not sure which
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Post by YL on Jan 22, 2024 19:43:38 GMT
I've never been able to pin down the exact origin of the "Clifford" ward that was only last May succeeded by "Old Trafford" here. It certainly dates back to Urban Borough days, that's all I know. When this has been discussed before I think it has been observed that there used to be a Clifford Street in the extreme east of Stretford UD, east of Chorlton Road, shown for example on this 1890s map. This was in Clifford ward as it was in 1946. Really old maps (that is 1840s) show that before Clifford Street was there there was a cricket ground. I don't know what this was called, but I note that on the 1890s map linked in the previous paragraph there is a Clifford Cricket Ground. However, it wasn't where Clifford Street was or in the later Clifford ward, rather it was immediately to the north of the main Old Trafford cricket ground, where Talbot Road is now. There was also a Manchester Clifford Cricket Club, who I imagine played at that ground. Perhaps there is a connection there. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jan 23, 2024 6:38:01 GMT
I've never been able to pin down the exact origin of the "Clifford" ward that was only last May succeeded by "Old Trafford" here. It certainly dates back to Urban Borough days, that's all I know. When this has been discussed before I think it has been observed that there used to be a Clifford Street in the extreme east of Stretford UD, east of Chorlton Road, shown for example on this 1890s map. This was in Clifford ward as it was in 1946. Really old maps (that is 1840s) show that before Clifford Street was there there was a cricket ground. I don't know what this was called, but I note that on the 1890s map linked in the previous paragraph there is a Clifford Cricket Ground. However, it wasn't where Clifford Street was or in the later Clifford ward, rather it was immediately to the north of the main Old Trafford cricket ground, where Talbot Road is now. There was also a Manchester Clifford Cricket Club, who I imagine played at that ground. Perhaps there is a connection there. Now THAT is interesting! The road name itself never made much sense in itself as a reason for the ward name, being just one of many.
Also, looking at the 1840s map, the meanders of the Cornbrook either side of the outcrop the cricket ground sat on hint at the etymology being quite literal, 'cliff ford'.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 23, 2024 9:56:57 GMT
Looking at the historic results on electioncentre, it looks like all the names above came into existence at the 1979 elections (the continuity of names must be pretty unusual?). On the continuity point, Cambridge's ward names are unchanged since 1976 and 11 out of 12 of the names on the 1935 ward map are still in use. And seven of the ward names from the 1912 map are still in use, although one has no cross-over in territory at all with the present ward of that name and a couple of others have minimal cross-over. I was part of an attempt to try to bring back the lost 1935 name (St. Matthew's) last time the county divisions were reviewed. A Labour councillor accused us of crypto-fundamentalism because they disapproved of religious names! |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 23, 2024 11:01:13 GMT
On the continuity point, Cambridge's ward names are unchanged since 1976 and 11 out of 12 of the names on the 1935 ward map are still in use. And seven of the ward names from the 1912 map are still in use, although one has no cross-over in territory at all with the present ward of that name and a couple of others have minimal cross-over. I was part of an attempt to try to bring back the lost 1935 name (St. Matthew's) last time the county divisions were reviewed. A Labour councillor accused us of crypto-fundamentalism because they disapproved of religious names! Ward naming is serious business! |
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