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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 4, 2024 17:37:13 GMT
Range of ways this could happen. She could have put on her seatbelt for a start.
The possibilities are endless but I see her bouncing from one inappropriate boyfriend to another. Her looks would have faded and in any case fashions change, what was once beauty becomes frumpy. But she had her fans and they would not have faded, as they did after her death.
I can see the long slow campaign to allow the public to grow to love Camilla facing greater hurdles and the longer it goes on the more chance there is of an intemperate response to her media and public mistreatment. Maybe not by her, but perhaps by Charles.
The Ginger kid would have followed a different trajectory, maybe not for the worse. Who knows, he could be happily married to a white South African who in the privacy of their home distanced him from both the celebrity lifestyle and her mother in laws boyfriends . Or he could have even further the other way
Diana could have taken a dislike to Miss Middleton. Or the contrary, Miss Middleton could have drifted into Dianas orbit over the Palace's
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Post by islington on Jan 4, 2024 17:51:03 GMT
Range of ways this could happen. She could have put on her seatbelt for a start. The possibilities are endless but I see her bouncing from one inappropriate boyfriend to another. Her looks would have faded and in any case fashions change, what was once beauty becomes frumpy. But she had her fans and they would not have faded, as they did after her death. I can see the long slow campaign to allow the public to grow to love Camilla facing greater hurdles and the longer it goes on the more chance there is of an intemperate response to her media and public mistreatment. Maybe not by her, but perhaps by Charles. The Ginger kid would have followed a different trajectory, maybe not for the worse. Who knows, he could be happily married to a white South African who in the privacy of their home distanced him from both the celebrity lifestyle and her mother in laws boyfriends . Or he could have even further the other way Diana could have taken a dislike to Miss Middleton. Or the contrary, Miss Middleton could have drifted into Dianas orbit over the Palace's She'd have ended up as just one more clapped-out ex-celebrity swanning around California.
Much the same fate as awaits her younger son, unless he prefers to tuck his tail between his legs and return to the UK to take on some sort of probably low-key royal function.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 4, 2024 18:02:15 GMT
I think so. Jeffrey Epstein was skilled at compromising people without them even realizing they were being compromised and scores of Oligarchs and Potentates do so better than him. She would appeared repeatedly in the company of people who later proved to be an embarrassment.
I do not think Henry can be rehabilitated. Anywhere he goes now he will be booed for the LOLz by a section of the public, he would be a liability to any cause he was attached to.
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Post by nyx on Jan 5, 2024 10:59:17 GMT
Even if she were not pregnant at the time of her car crash (as has been speculated but there is no evidence for), there's a decent chance she would have ended up pregnant at some point in the years after. This means William and Harry having a younger sibling (or siblings) who, despite having no role in the royal family directly, would in practice be heavily linked to it.
A hypothetical scenario where it was instead Charles and Camilla to die in a car crash in 1997 would be very interesting.
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Post by swanarcadian on Jan 5, 2024 12:16:57 GMT
The press would have continued their daily obsession with her for many years to come.
I’ve seen interesting AI images of how she might look today if she were still with us. They’re quite easy to find if you’re interested.
There might have been more sympathy with Harry from some quarters and more friction with the Royal Family back home, and not just because of the Camilla thing. I can imagine her moving near Harry and the press, complete with photographs and interviews with OK! magazine portraying her as a caring grandmother for Harry’s children in contrast to the King.
Her relationship with Catherine, who appears to have everything about her the Royal Family could wish for, would indeed have been interesting.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 5, 2024 13:54:01 GMT
Even if she were not pregnant at the time of her car crash (as has been speculated but there is no evidence for), there's a decent chance she would have ended up pregnant at some point in the years after. This means William and Harry having a younger sibling (or siblings) who, despite having no role in the royal family directly, would in practice be heavily linked to it. A hypothetical scenario where it was instead Charles and Camilla to die in a car crash in 1997 would be very interesting. For a few seconds I thought: Wow! King Andrew! Then of course realised: wow! "young" 30-something King William V. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 5, 2024 14:14:11 GMT
I occasionally think about my formative years (the late 1970s and early 1980s) and imagine (a) going back in time to explain modern life and modern technology to the people back then, or (b) bringing them in a time-machine to 2024 to experience modern life for themselves.
Suppose some people from, say, 1982 came to 2024 and had to live here without any explanation being given about what’s happening or how things work. Assume they are not allowed to cheat by just googling the history, but they have to pick things up as they go along. One fantasy idea is that such a “tourist” would see Camilla on TV and would initially assume it’s an older version of Diana.
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Post by nyx on Jan 5, 2024 15:00:01 GMT
Even if she were not pregnant at the time of her car crash (as has been speculated but there is no evidence for), there's a decent chance she would have ended up pregnant at some point in the years after. This means William and Harry having a younger sibling (or siblings) who, despite having no role in the royal family directly, would in practice be heavily linked to it. A hypothetical scenario where it was instead Charles and Camilla to die in a car crash in 1997 would be very interesting. For a few seconds I thought: Wow! King Andrew! Then of course realised: wow! "young" 30-something King William V. Indeed. It's an interesting hypothetical because it would mean Diana having sole custody over the heir to the British throne- and her interests would obviously not necessarily have aligned with those of the royal family. For example what if Diana were to decide to marry and have kids with Hasnat Khan, and move to Pakistan to live a life outside of the media spotlight? Having the heir to the throne not even growing up in the UK would be very controversial but what would the royal family actually be able to do about it? |
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 5, 2024 15:06:38 GMT
I occasionally think about my formative years (the late 1970s and early 1980s) and imagine (a) going back in time to explain modern life and modern technology to the people back then, or (b) bringing them in a time-machine to 2024 to experience modern life for themselves. Suppose some people from, say, 1982 came to 2024 and had to live here without any explanation being given about what’s happening or how things work. Assume they are not allowed to cheat by just googling the history, but they have to pick things up as they go along. One fantasy idea is that such a “tourist” would see Camilla on TV and would initially assume it’s an older version of Diana. (b) is pretty much the premise of the kids TV show of the 70s Catweasle (only over a far larger time frame). Electrickery?!  |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 5, 2024 15:41:04 GMT
For a few seconds I thought: Wow! King Andrew! Then of course realised: wow! "young" 30-something King William V. Indeed. It's an interesting hypothetical because it would mean Diana having sole custody over the heir to the British throne- and her interests would obviously not necessarily have aligned with those of the royal family. For example what if Diana were to decide to marry and have kids with Hasnat Khan, and move to Pakistan to live a life outside of the media spotlight? Having the heir to the throne not even growing up in the UK would be very controversial but what would the royal family actually be able to do about it? A very great deal. There would be no chance at all of her being permitted to do that. The male heirs would be schooled in Britain and holiday in British royal residences with possible occasional short trips to approved parts of Pakistan with attendant British security officers. |
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Post by nyx on Jan 5, 2024 15:59:42 GMT
Indeed. It's an interesting hypothetical because it would mean Diana having sole custody over the heir to the British throne- and her interests would obviously not necessarily have aligned with those of the royal family. For example what if Diana were to decide to marry and have kids with Hasnat Khan, and move to Pakistan to live a life outside of the media spotlight? Having the heir to the throne not even growing up in the UK would be very controversial but what would the royal family actually be able to do about it? A very great deal. There would be no chance at all of her being permitted to do that. The male heirs would be schooled in Britain and holiday in British royal residences with possible occasional short trips to approved parts of Pakistan with attendant British security officers. I'm sure the royal family would want to do so in the event of Diana moving abroad anywhere (she had considered buying a property in the United States in reality). But I am curious as to what specific legal procedure would permit them to take such a step. In reality when individual members of the royal family have been set on decisions that the family does not approve of (Edward VIII's marriage, everything happening with Harry and Meghan, etc), their abilities to take action have been limited to stripping royal titles, stripping funding, and in Edward VIII's case forcing abdication. But I don't see any step that would permit children to be removed from their sole parent and legal guardian. I expect they would try to work to find a mutually acceptable compromise if possible, though. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 5, 2024 16:19:17 GMT
A very great deal. There would be no chance at all of her being permitted to do that. The male heirs would be schooled in Britain and holiday in British royal residences with possible occasional short trips to approved parts of Pakistan with attendant British security officers. I'm sure the royal family would want to do so in the event of Diana moving abroad anywhere (she had considered buying a property in the United States in reality). But I am curious as to what specific legal procedure would permit them to take such a step. In reality when individual members of the royal family have been set on decisions that the family does not approve of (Edward VIII's marriage, everything happening with Harry and Meghan, etc), their abilities to take action have been limited to stripping royal titles, stripping funding, and in Edward VIII's case forcing abdication. But I don't see any step that would permit children to be removed from their sole parent and legal guardian. I expect they would try to work to find a mutually acceptable compromise if possible, though. The Heir To The Throne is a very special case and someone like me would be sent to 'reason' with her and to make her 'choice' easier by pointing out the various deficits that would follow upon her failure to acquiesce in our sensible and necessary policies. I am certain she would have taken that advice or she might have 'had an accident'! |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 5, 2024 18:43:52 GMT
The Duke of Edinburgh would just have had to find another way of bumping her off. Playing with a land mine or something...
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Post by andrea on Jan 5, 2024 22:57:25 GMT
H er relationship with Catherine, who appears to have everything about her the Royal Family could wish for, would indeed have been interesting. I got mixed up with the discussion in the thread about Denmark...and for a moment I thought about the relationship between Diana and Catherine of Aragon. |
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Post by Sandy on Jan 6, 2024 0:14:25 GMT
H er relationship with Catherine, who appears to have everything about her the Royal Family could wish for, would indeed have been interesting. I got mixed up with the discussion in the thread about Denmark...and for a moment I thought about the relationship between Diana and Catherine of Aragon. *waves* |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 6, 2024 14:58:22 GMT
I occasionally think about my formative years (the late 1970s and early 1980s) and imagine (a) going back in time to explain modern life and modern technology to the people back then, or (b) bringing them in a time-machine to 2024 to experience modern life for themselves. Suppose some people from, say, 1982 came to 2024 and had to live here without any explanation being given about what’s happening or how things work. Assume they are not allowed to cheat by just googling the history, but they have to pick things up as they go along. One fantasy idea is that such a “tourist” would see Camilla on TV and would initially assume it’s an older version of Diana. (b) is pretty much the premise of the kids TV show of the 70s Catweasle (only over a far larger time frame). Electrickery?! That was slightly before my time, but I notice that tomorrow will be Geoffrey Bayldon’s 100th birthday. |
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Post by islington on Jan 7, 2024 15:06:09 GMT
The Duke of Edinburgh would just have had to find another way of bumping her off. Playing with a land mine or something... Posted again, just because.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 17, 2024 22:20:09 GMT
If she had survived that crash, or the crash had never occurred at all, the impact on Britain would actually have been minimal.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 22, 2024 13:36:36 GMT
I'm sure the royal family would want to do so in the event of Diana moving abroad anywhere (she had considered buying a property in the United States in reality). But I am curious as to what specific legal procedure would permit them to take such a step. In reality when individual members of the royal family have been set on decisions that the family does not approve of (Edward VIII's marriage, everything happening with Harry and Meghan, etc), their abilities to take action have been limited to stripping royal titles, stripping funding, and in Edward VIII's case forcing abdication. But I don't see any step that would permit children to be removed from their sole parent and legal guardian. I expect they would try to work to find a mutually acceptable compromise if possible, though. I seem to vaguely recall there was some legislation that gave the monarch or the state an element of custody over non-child heirs though can't recall if it was specific to the future George III/Victoria after their fathers' deaths or more generally covered grandchildren, nephews and nieces in the higher stages of succession who could conceivably wind up on the throne given that accidents and infertilities did occur but not every prince parent got on with the sitting monarch. Even if it was limited to preventing the heir's parent from taking them out of the country it could have made for some interesting custody disputes. If legislation wasn't in place then Parliament would probably have had to take sides. |
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