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Post by ntyuk1707 on Oct 3, 2023 22:58:42 GMT
Dividing Scotland into "Greater Glasgow" and "Not Greater Glasgow" is absolutely ridiculous. Ayrshire for example has much more in common with Greater Glasgow than the Western or Northern Isles. That is not to say it should belong in the same region as Greater Glasgow, but that map is horrific. If you want to divide Scotland into regions the NHS boards is a better starting point. It would break up the SNP powerbase and create a rural-majority Scotland that would run region/county-level services sensibly. There are parallels with the German states, where Bremen and Hamburg are separate from Lower Saxony so that people in the Saxon equivalents of Ayr do not have their interests sidelined by urban interests. Greater Glasgow is designed to be a basket-case to limit contagion, much like South West Lancashire. Scotland is overwhelmingly urban, and within the plan nearly half of electors in the 'not Glasgow' region would live in Greater Aberdeen, Dundee or Edinburgh. Also worth acknowledging that Ayr is an urban area, as is Kilmarnock, Irvine, Falkirk, Stirling, Perth and Inverness for example. |
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Oct 3, 2023 23:02:42 GMT
Based on current polling I think ironically enough dividing Scotland into 'Greater Glasgow' and 'not Greater Glasgow' you would be more breaking Labour's powerbase significantly more than the SNP's!
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Post by Penddu on Oct 10, 2023 17:06:22 GMT
Seeing as I have no connection with and little knowledge of London, I think this is an ideal opportunity for me to wheel out my masterplan for the Greater London Region. I plan to replace the existing single Region with 7 Metropolitan Counties formed by merging London Boroughs, so that:
- Havering, Redbridge, Barking & Dagenham, Newham and Waltham Forest would be replaced by Metro Essex (named to avoid confusion with rest of Essex)
- Bexley, Bromley, Greenwich and Lewisham would be replaced by Metro Kent
- Croydon, Sutton, Merton and Kingston would be replaced by Metro Surrey
- Richmond, Hounslow, Ealing, Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent would become West Middlesex
- Barnet, Enfield and Haringey would become North Middlesex
- Wandsworth, Southwark and Lambeth would become South London
- the rest would become Central London
Each of the new Metropolitan Counties would have an elected mayor, and would be represented by the new Metropolitan London Region.
I would then expand the region by merging some of the neighbouring Council areas into the new counties, eg Spelthorne into West Middx; Epsom & Ewell into Metro Surrey; Thurrock into Metro Essex; Dartford into Metro Kent.
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Post by pl on Oct 10, 2023 17:22:50 GMT
Seeing as I have no connection with and little knowledge of London, I think this is an ideal opportunity for me to wheel out my masterplan for the Greater London Region. I plan to replace the existing single Region with 7 Metropolitan Counties formed by merging London Boroughs, so that: - Havering, Redbridge, Barking & Dagenham, Newham and Waltham Forest would be replaced by Metro Essex (named to avoid confusion with rest of Essex) - Bexley, Bromley, Greenwich and Lewisham would be replaced by Metro Kent - Croydon, Sutton, Merton and Kingston would be replaced by Metro Surrey - Richmond, Hounslow, Ealing, Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent would become West Middlesex - Barnet, Enfield and Haringey would become North Middlesex - Wandsworth, Southwark and Lambeth would become South London - the rest would become Central London Each of the new Metropolitan Counties would have an elected mayor, and would be represented by the new Metropolitan London Region. I would then expand the region by merging some of the neighbouring Council areas into the new counties, eg Spelthorne into West Middx; Epsom & Ewell into Metro Surrey; Thurrock into Metro Essex; Dartford into Metro Kent. Does your plan also abolish the mayor of London? |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 10, 2023 17:27:57 GMT
Cumbria in my view is not an accent area. The Carlisle accent is Geordie adjacent (more so than Sunderland is). Barrow and to a lesser extent the coast going northwards is a Lancashire accent essentially, at least from my perspective - at least in the family. There's a NW/NE barrier going somewhere through Cumbria. Personally I don't think there is unitary Northumbrian accent either aside from the south east coast area which is very thick - the most incomprehensible greater Geordies are Blyth / Ashington people. These days Alnwick / Hexham etc. Northumbrian is basically just a mild Geordie. The burr is long gone. I would struggle to tell a Northumbrian from a middle class urban Geordie even as a local. Apart from Berwick and adjacent areas obviously. |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 10, 2023 18:17:48 GMT
Seeing as I have no connection with and little knowledge of London, I think this is an ideal opportunity for me to wheel out my masterplan for the Greater London Region. I plan to replace the existing single Region with 7 Metropolitan Counties formed by merging London Boroughs, so that: - Havering, Redbridge, Barking & Dagenham, Newham and Waltham Forest would be replaced by Metro Essex (named to avoid confusion with rest of Essex) - Bexley, Bromley, Greenwich and Lewisham would be replaced by Metro Kent - Croydon, Sutton, Merton and Kingston would be replaced by Metro Surrey - Richmond, Hounslow, Ealing, Hillingdon, Harrow and Brent would become West Middlesex - Barnet, Enfield and Haringey would become North Middlesex - Wandsworth, Southwark and Lambeth would become South London - the rest would become Central London Each of the new Metropolitan Counties would have an elected mayor, and would be represented by the new Metropolitan London Region. I would then expand the region by merging some of the neighbouring Council areas into the new counties, eg Spelthorne into West Middx; Epsom & Ewell into Metro Surrey; Thurrock into Metro Essex; Dartford into Metro Kent. Does your plan also abolish the mayor of London? Yes & No - County of London would have a Mayor - but Regional Assembly to be led by a First Minister (or whatever the English Regions adopt) |
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Post by pl on Oct 10, 2023 19:50:59 GMT
Does your plan also abolish the mayor of London? Yes & No - County of London would have a Mayor - but Regional Assembly to be led by a First Minister (or whatever the English Regions adopt) {Shudder} I can't think of a much worse set up. I'd much rather scrap all these regional/ Council mayors and set up decent sized unitary councils. |
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Post by londonseal80 on Oct 11, 2023 17:07:20 GMT
Does your plan also abolish the mayor of London? Yes & No - County of London would have a Mayor - but Regional Assembly to be led by a First Minister (or whatever the English Regions adopt) Surely Merton and the Northern bits of Croydon would go better with South London? |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 11, 2023 17:29:23 GMT
Yes & No - County of London would have a Mayor - but Regional Assembly to be led by a First Minister (or whatever the English Regions adopt) Surely Merton and the Northern bits of Croydon would go better with South London? Maybe - but I didnt want to split the boroughs. Richmond should probably be split north and south of the Thames between West Middlesex and Metro Surrey |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 11, 2023 17:34:16 GMT
Yes & No - County of London would have a Mayor - but Regional Assembly to be led by a First Minister (or whatever the English Regions adopt) {Shudder} I can't think of a much worse set up. I'd much rather scrap all these regional/ Council mayors and set up decent sized unitary councils. I dont have a strong opinion on Council Mayors - other than a Mayor should be of a City or County - not a Region. A Region should have a Regional Assembly which could be led by a Chairman or some other title. But preferably not a mayor. |
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Post by pl on Oct 11, 2023 18:31:20 GMT
{Shudder} I can't think of a much worse set up. I'd much rather scrap all these regional/ Council mayors and set up decent sized unitary councils. I dont have a strong opinion on Council Mayors - other than a Mayor should be of a City or County - not a Region. A Region should have a Regional Assembly which could be led by a Chairman or some other title. But preferably not a mayor. Regional assemblies are completely and utterly pointless unless you want to bite the bullet and create a single definition of a region that unites police, NHS, fire brigade and regional planning boundaries. Plus probably a few other things too. Its the problem of the current regional mayors... the powers are so varied |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 13, 2023 11:55:15 GMT
I dont have a strong opinion on Council Mayors - other than a Mayor should be of a City or County - not a Region. A Region should have a Regional Assembly which could be led by a Chairman or some other title. But preferably not a mayor. Regional assemblies are completely and utterly pointless unless you want to bite the bullet and create a single definition of a region that unites police, NHS, fire brigade and regional planning boundaries. Plus probably a few other things too. Its the problem of the current regional mayors... the powers are so varied Why would you not bite that bullet? The current mixture of structures and powers in English local government is a farce. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 13, 2023 14:51:04 GMT
We need a great big reset switch for England, absolutely.
*Regions which reflect how people and economies truly exist within those boundaries
*Directly elected regional assembles, by PR, with significant powers
*An end to two-tier government.
Here's one I thought the other day. Modernise the rules on regional and local flags.
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Post by ilerda on Oct 13, 2023 15:15:52 GMT
England is too small and too interconnected for legislative and regulatory devolution. Devolution of budgets around spatial and economic development issues would work on a city-/county-region basis in my opinion, but the fallacy that England is too big to be run as a centralised country is wrong. In fact I think the UK as a whole is probably too small for full scale devolution, but that ship has sailed.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 13, 2023 16:15:06 GMT
*Regions which reflect how people and economies truly exist within those boundaries But those two often conflict. Hope Valley is clearly "in" Sheffield economically, but it's pitchforks at dawn before it's dragged out of Derbyshire. Similarly, Whitby is clearly and unequivically in Yorkshire but people keep telling us we should shut up and be annexed to Teesside. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 13, 2023 16:21:19 GMT
*Regions which reflect how people and economies truly exist within those boundaries But those two often conflict. Hope Valley is clearly "in" Sheffield economically, but it's pitchforks at dawn before it's dragged out of Derbyshire. Similarly, Whitby is clearly and unequivically in Yorkshire but people keep telling us we should shut up and be annexed to Teesside.Which people? |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Oct 13, 2023 16:37:37 GMT
Similarly, Whitby is clearly and unequivically in Yorkshire but people keep telling us we should shut up and be annexed to Teesside. Has this really been suggested since the 1970s? I live in East Cleveland and I've never heard anyone seriously suggest that we should be in a local authority with Whitby. Of course, people here think they are clearly and unequivocally in Yorkshire too. This is not diminished by being in a particular council area or combined authority or whatever. |
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Post by pl on Oct 13, 2023 17:04:27 GMT
Regional assemblies are completely and utterly pointless unless you want to bite the bullet and create a single definition of a region that unites police, NHS, fire brigade and regional planning boundaries. Plus probably a few other things too. Its the problem of the current regional mayors... the powers are so varied Why would you not bite that bullet? The current mixture of structures and powers in English local government is a farce. Yes, the current "mix and match" boundaries is becoming rather complex. I don't think matters are helped by the three tier system of local government either. District councils are simply the wrong size for todays world. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 13, 2023 22:57:07 GMT
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Post by uthacalthing on Oct 13, 2023 23:47:34 GMT
I suggest nine Grand Duchies
London. Defined by the M25.
Yorkshire.
Lancastria. To include Lancashire, Cheshire, Westmorland and Cumberland
Durham. To include the County of Northumberland
Anglia. To include Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Cambridgeshire
Lincoln. To include the counties of Holland, Kesteven, Lindsay, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire and Northamptonshire
Mercia. Warwick and counties west of that plus Oxford
Home Counties. To include Hampshire, Sussex, Kent, Surrey and those little ones I forget the names of
Wessex. To include Gloucestershire and points south and west
What is the point? Area titles in boxing. Six round fights. Life peerages for the monarchs younger children. Top level Life peerages for billionaire patrons of the King to fund his household and charitable works . £100m a year subscription. Right to sit and speak in House of Lords, convention against voting. Honorary colonel of TA regiment . Commodore of Sea Cadets. Buy own uniform. Ambassadorship of unimportant nations of desired. Deputy High Commissioner of Commonwealth Realms considered.
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