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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 4:15:09 GMT
What if Penny got enough nominations to contest the second 2022 Conservative leadership election?
I’m assuming she might win with a similar % as Liz Truss.
Would Labour be as far ahead in the polls now?
If I was in Labour, I’d say Portsmouth North needs to be the Portillo moment next time to blunt a Tory revival by 2029.
The New Statesman covered possible Portillo moments:
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Personally, I think Penny holds on (but with 130 Tory losses nationally) and her or Suella Braverman succeed Sunak.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 1, 2023 7:06:14 GMT
The leader of the Conservatives doesn't matter, they're a passed it government, the public know it, Labour will get in as the only alternative.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 1, 2023 9:35:56 GMT
Instinctively one would make her favourite in a head to head with Sunak, yes.
The one possible complication there might be PM's past strongly pro-trans rights position (something *deeply* unpopular with the Tory selectorate) Yes she did try to row back on it in her campaign, but you could still see even as wooden a performer as Rishi getting a few effective "at least *I* know what a woman is" jabs in.
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Post by swanarcadian on Sept 1, 2023 16:12:15 GMT
I can see her becoming Leader of the Opposition next year and possibly even Prime Minister in 2029.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 1, 2023 16:20:01 GMT
I can see her becoming Leader of the Opposition next year and possibly even Prime Minister in 2029. If certain sections of the Tory party hadn't done a pretty thorough job of character assassination on her during leadership campaigns, the latter could have been true now. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Sept 1, 2023 16:51:01 GMT
I can see her becoming Leader of the Opposition next year and possibly even Prime Minister in 2029. If certain sections of the Tory party hadn't done a pretty thorough job of character assassination on her during leadership campaigns, the latter could have been true now. Maybe that’s for the best in the long run. Whoever takes over any party 12 years into government is probably in for a very hard time. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 1, 2023 17:04:37 GMT
If certain sections of the Tory party hadn't done a pretty thorough job of character assassination on her during leadership campaigns, the latter could have been true now. Maybe that’s for the best in the long run. Whoever takes over any party 12 years into government is probably in for a very hard time. Well, yes, you may well be right. But as, Milliband (D) found out that might have been her only chance gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 8:28:50 GMT
Biden wouldn’t call the UK Prime Minister Rashid Sanook.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 2, 2023 10:12:20 GMT
Biden wouldn’t call the UK Prime Minister Rashid Sanook. Pannid Maurdon't? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 12:15:11 GMT
Biden wouldn’t call the UK Prime Minister Rashid Sanook. Pannid Maurdon't? Penelope Mordor. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Sept 3, 2023 1:15:24 GMT
I would love for PM to be PM. Alas, I doubt it could happen for at least a decade. Will she still have the same vivacity at that point?? I don’t know. She may, through no fault of her own, end up being the right person without the right time.
I really do hope she has the chance to make a big splash in the future though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 4:02:15 GMT
I would love for PM to be PM. Alas, I doubt it could happen for at least a decade. Will she still have the same vivacity at that point?? I don’t know. She may, through no fault of her own, end up being the right person without the right time. I really do hope she has the chance to make a big splash in the future though. I think she could be LOTO, but yes I do think 2022 was the best chance for her to make it to the top in the same way as 1995 was Michael Portillo’s best chance to become PM. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 3, 2023 9:27:37 GMT
I really do hope she has the chance to make a big splash in the future though. What you did there, I see it. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Sept 3, 2023 15:48:37 GMT
Penny would probably have won with the membership because of the 'backstabbing' narrative that prevented Boris loyalists voting for Sunak.
But then who would get to wave the sword around at the Coronation?
As a long game, I think things are working out reasonably well for PM. She should be one of the front runners for LOTO after the next GE, and that's the best job in politics.
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Post by tomc on Sept 3, 2023 17:26:00 GMT
Penny Mordaunt is even thicker than Truss, she'd never have stood up to scrutiny but would be unlikely to do anything to upset the horses as Truss did. Consequently she'd still be PM but getting battered by Starmer at PMQs and probably polling slightly lower than Sunak is now.
Realistically little would be different.
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Post by sirbenjamin on Sept 3, 2023 19:17:07 GMT
I'd be quite happy with Mordaunt as party leader.
She's unlikely to ever be my first choice, but first choices seldom work out.
I'm probably not on the same page as her with regards to certain trans issues, but so what? Nobody is going to be a 100% match. I don't get how people are so quick to rule out candidates based on one issue of difference (but overlook numerous others in other candidates). I guess it's like the Westboro type Christians not caring about the governance of Oxen, or the fabric from which their clothes are woven.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Sept 3, 2023 20:43:53 GMT
My assumptions are that the next Tory LOTO won't be PM, that Labour will get at least two terms and the the next Tory PM will be someone who has not previously served in government.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2023 3:12:25 GMT
Penny Mordaunt is even thicker than Truss, she'd never have stood up to scrutiny but would be unlikely to do anything to upset the horses as Truss did. Consequently she'd still be PM but getting battered by Starmer at PMQs and probably polling slightly lower than Sunak is now. Realistically little would be different. Many of the new 2019 Tory voters are quite thick too and Mordaunt is pretty telegenic compared to Starmer. Labour should try to unseat her in the next GE since she’d probably pose Starmer more of a threat to than Suella Braverman. Attractive female (with a big sword) vs Priti Patel wannabe. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 4, 2023 8:30:12 GMT
My assumptions are that the next Tory LOTO won't be PM, that Labour will get at least two terms and the the next Tory PM will be someone who has not previously served in government. Agreed. As has been speculated elsewhere, I'd happily consider a bet that the next Tory PM is not currently an MP (and it won't be Boris). The Conservatives need to prepare themselves for a substantial stint in opposition. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2023 8:50:16 GMT
I think the next Tory PM is Rupert Harrison. A nice One Nation Tory going for an Oxfordshire seat. He’s the heir to Cameron. He can revive Eton’s reputation as the chief nurse of England’s statesmen. He went to both Eton and Oxford so he’s got to be good, although Boris Johnson sullied that path into politics. I’d probably vote for him in a shot.
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