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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 6, 2024 12:37:14 GMT
Horseshoe theory in action! How so?
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 6, 2024 14:04:58 GMT
I find this somewhat baffling - nobody could be less likely to agree with the politics of the Workers' Party than Billy Howarth, and many of the supporters of George Galloway consider him a racist for pointing out the ethnicity of the Rochdale grooming gangs. As far as the Workers' Party is concerned, no barrel can be left un-scraped. I am not saying Mr Howartgh is a racist at all, but GG has also just announced the selection of the guy who was, until a couple of days ago, the reappointed Lib Dem candidate for Central Rochdale, a former Lab cllr kicked out for, and convicted of, a public order offence for homophobia. Weird selections.
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 6, 2024 14:17:12 GMT
Horseshoe theory in action! the overuse of this term is eroding any meaning it ever had
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Post by batman on Apr 6, 2024 14:33:34 GMT
There are 2 Reform UK candidates, one in each of those wards. Neither Independent stood in the by-election; David Tully is not standing. However William Howarth, the anti-grooming campaigner who stood as an Independent in the by-election is standing for the Workers Party in Balderstone & Kirkholt.I find this somewhat baffling - nobody could be less likely to agree with the politics of the Workers' Party than Billy Howarth, and many of the supporters of George Galloway consider him a racist for pointing out the ethnicity of the Rochdale grooming gangs. Galloway isn't that fussy about who supports his party.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 6, 2024 14:37:57 GMT
I find this somewhat baffling - nobody could be less likely to agree with the politics of the Workers' Party than Billy Howarth, and many of the supporters of George Galloway consider him a racist for pointing out the ethnicity of the Rochdale grooming gangs. Galloway isn't that fussy about who supports his party. Seems so, though I would have thought that Billy Howarth might have been a bit more discerning.
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Post by batman on Apr 20, 2024 18:03:59 GMT
I've written to my local Lib Dem MP about this :
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Post by edgbaston on Apr 20, 2024 18:15:58 GMT
I've written to my local Lib Dem MP about this : All to be swiftly expelled I suspect? What were they thinking (apart from win at all costs)
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 20, 2024 18:45:43 GMT
I've written to my local Lib Dem MP about this : All to be swiftly expelled I suspect? What were they thinking (apart from win at all costs) Spotland does not have a Worker's Party candidate. Therefore it appears that Galloway suggests the LibDem - prefers the other candidates.
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Post by batman on Apr 20, 2024 19:37:55 GMT
Indeed he does, Mike, and he is perfectly entitled to do this. However, the Lib Dem people in the picture had no need to be pictured with him like this. People like myself regard Galloway as a very nasty racist. You wouldn't expect Lib Dems, or for that matter Labour or Tory people, to pose with Nick Griffin (who of course endorsed Galloway), and they shouldn't be openly consorting with Galloway either. It's one thing Galloway saying vote Lib Dem in Spotland, that's not unexceptionable of itself, it's quite another for the Lib Dems to accept his endorsement in this flagrant way.
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Post by carolus on Apr 20, 2024 19:46:10 GMT
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 20, 2024 19:46:45 GMT
Indeed he does, Mike, and he is perfectly entitled to do this. However, the Lib Dem people in the picture had no need to be pictured with him like this. People like myself regard Galloway as a very nasty racist. You wouldn't expect Lib Dems, or for that matter Labour or Tory people, to pose with Nick Griffin (who of course endorsed Galloway), and they shouldn't be openly consorting with Galloway either. It's one thing Galloway saying vote Lib Dem in Spotland, that's not unexceptionable of itself, it's quite another for the Lib Dems to accept his endorsement in this flagrant way. Candidate has been suspended according to Mark Pack.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 20, 2024 20:05:18 GMT
Indeed he does, Mike, and he is perfectly entitled to do this. However, the Lib Dem people in the picture had no need to be pictured with him like this. People like myself regard Galloway as a very nasty racist. You wouldn't expect Lib Dems, or for that matter Labour or Tory people, to pose with Nick Griffin (who of course endorsed Galloway), and they shouldn't be openly consorting with Galloway either. It's one thing Galloway saying vote Lib Dem in Spotland, that's not unexceptionable of itself, it's quite another for the Lib Dems to accept his endorsement in this flagrant way. Cynically, because the LibDem candidate will win - there isn't a WP. Voters will support Palestine, Labour might not win here.
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Post by batman on Apr 20, 2024 20:11:10 GMT
Well done to the Lib Dems for acting quickly on this one, but I think the others in the picture need to be suspended too - although it's possible that one or more already has. Of course they have to be identified first & that could take a little time
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 20, 2024 20:34:38 GMT
Well done to the Lib Dems for acting quickly on this one, but I think the others in the picture need to be suspended too - although it's possible that one or more already has. Of course they have to be identified first & that could take a little time Clearly the candidate is a Muslim, from what I can see, all the people are all Muslims. Probably the WP did not sort a candidate. The LibDems perhaps knew that the WP agreed hence the Grand Alliance. Will Labour be able to win - seems some areas (south Manchester, Burnley, Pendle etc) won't ....?
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Apr 21, 2024 7:00:49 GMT
So we have a situation where local and national politics don't mesh. In local political terms what they did made sense, in national political terms it didn't and in the end national politics will trump local politics where it is troublesome.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 21, 2024 8:04:41 GMT
So we have a situation where local and national politics don't mesh. In local political terms what they did made sense, in national political terms it didn't and in the end national politics will trump local politics where it is troublesome. Having said that, Rochdale is odd. This was Lab/LibDem territory, I don't know whether the WP do well or not. Labour haven't sorted a candidate - maybe Paul Waugh will be selected?
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Post by batman on Apr 21, 2024 8:45:36 GMT
So we have a situation where local and national politics don't mesh. In local political terms what they did made sense, in national political terms it didn't and in the end national politics will trump local politics where it is troublesome. They ought to mesh, though. Let's go through it again. Galloway, especially since being thrown out of the Labour Party 20 years ago, has had a consistently terrible record on antisemitism, quite apart from his uncritical support of bloody autocratic, and sometimes genocidal, régimes including Syria & Iran's clerical fascists - and before someone goes for the tu quoque, I am absolutely not a supporter of Israel's current administration, indeed I hate them with a passion, even though I believe in the state's right to exist within secure borders, and to defend itself where necessary. He goes far, far further than simply being an anti-Zionist, and this is why he was endorsed by the neo-Nazi and Jew-hater Nick Griffin. He also scandalously attempted to blame Naz Shah for what was essentially her statutory rape. He constantly pathetically but very nastily attempts to undermine legitimate free speech via threats of legal action. The list goes on and on. If Galloway wishes to say Vote Lib Dem in Spotland, there's nothing the LDs can do to stop him doing that; but even if he is currently the local MP, he should be totally beyond the pale in terms of posing for pics with him, and so on, and someone active in the Lib Dems at whatever level should be aware of that, surely. The endorsement of Galloway OUGHT to be something to be actively avoided, and repudiated if it happens; voters need to be made aware of what he really is, what he really stands for. Instead of which he wins elections from time to time, then swans around the country or indeed to other countries neglecting his constituents, and second time around they realise that he is not a good representative.
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Post by john07 on Apr 21, 2024 9:43:27 GMT
So we have a situation where local and national politics don't mesh. In local political terms what they did made sense, in national political terms it didn't and in the end national politics will trump local politics where it is troublesome. They ought to mesh, though. Let's go through it again. Galloway, especially since being thrown out of the Labour Party 20 years ago, has had a consistently terrible record on antisemitism, quite apart from his uncritical support of bloody autocratic, and sometimes genocidal, régimes including Syria & Iran's clerical fascists - and before someone goes for the tu quoque, I am absolutely not a supporter of Israel's current administration, indeed I hate them with a passion, even though I believe in the state's right to exist within secure borders, and to defend itself where necessary. He goes far, far further than simply being an anti-Zionists, and this is why he was endorsed by the neo-Nazi and Jew-hater Nick Griffin. He also scandalously attempted to blame Naz Shah for what was essentially her statutory rape. He constantly pathetically but very nastily attempts to undermine legitimate free speech via threats of legal action. The list goes on and on. If Galloway wishes to say Vote Lib Dem in Spotland, there's nothing the LDs can do to stop him doing that; but even if he is currently the local MP, he should be totally beyond the pale in terms of posing for pics with him, and so on, and someone active in the Lib Dems at whatever level should be aware of that, surely. The endorsement of Galloway OUGHT to be something to be actively avoided, and repudiated if it happens; voters need to be made aware of what he really is, what he really stands for. Instead of which he wins elections from time to time, then swans around the country or indeed to other countries neglecting his constituents, and second time around they realise that he is not a good representative. You forgot him toadying up to Saddam Hussain and saluting his ‘indefatigability’!
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 21, 2024 12:04:36 GMT
LibDems also had a few members (until then, anyway) backing Galloway during the byelection campaign as well?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 21, 2024 14:32:14 GMT
There are 2 Reform UK candidates, one in each of those wards. Neither Independent stood in the by-election; David Tully is not standing. However William Howarth, the anti-grooming campaigner who stood as an Independent in the by-election is standing for the Workers Party in Balderstone & Kirkholt.I find this somewhat baffling - nobody could be less likely to agree with the politics of the Workers' Party than Billy Howarth, and many of the supporters of George Galloway consider him a racist for pointing out the ethnicity of the Rochdale grooming gangs. Not sure about Howarth, but David Tully has angrily denied claims that he is backing the Workers Party. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/they-manipulated-it-furious-rochdale-28959746
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