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Post by uthacalthing on Jun 19, 2023 13:13:35 GMT
Davıd Boothroyd will the incoming Labour government abolish the bedroom tax?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 19, 2023 13:18:18 GMT
Davıd Boothroyd will the incoming Labour government abolish the bedroom tax? Read the manifesto. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jun 19, 2023 13:20:32 GMT
Is it under the heading
"Tax Cuts" ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 13:28:46 GMT
I think some of the comments on this thread embody exactly why I want Labour to campaign seriously here and would not be too disappointed to see the Tories win it as a result
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 19, 2023 13:29:11 GMT
Is it under the heading "Tax Cuts" ? I'll request it gets put under a heading "For the special attention of Sandy Wallace whose online behaviour is deteriorating yet further into brainless trollery". |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 19, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
Labour of course did explicitly pledge to scrap the "Bedroom Tax" in the 2015 GE, when it was a major live issue.
I would be surprised if the commitment has not been retained, even if more sotto voce, since then.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 19, 2023 13:55:27 GMT
I think some of the comments on this thread embody exactly why I want Labour to campaign seriously here and would not be too disappointed to see the Tories win it as a result
Personally, I certainly wouldn't want to see the Tories win. But there are scenarios other than the ones already set out.
The 1994 Eastleigh by election has things to teach us here. Marilyn Birks, the Labour candidate wrote an article after it, entitled "How we won by coming second".
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 19, 2023 13:56:22 GMT
Labour of course did explicitly pledge to scrap the "Bedroom Tax" in the 2015 GE, when it was a major live issue. I would be surprised if the commitment has not been retained, even if more sotto voce, since then. Does that include the original 'bedroom tax' introduced under Labour and that I as a civil servant had to defend? @europeanlefty commented that he doesn't think that my party is progressive. I served as a DWP civil servant for 8 years under Labour and if anything it was a more regressive experience than the four and a half years I did under the coalition (where of course all the most regressive bits had antecedents in what Labour did in their 13 years in power). As Starmer's likely pathway of governance is going to be like Brown post 2008, don't expect much in the way of progressive governance... |
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Post by YL on Jun 19, 2023 13:57:17 GMT
Writ moved:
So it will presumably be 20 July along with the other two.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 19, 2023 14:17:50 GMT
Triple the fun in just over four weeks
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 19, 2023 14:44:53 GMT
Looks like it might be worth taking the 21st off
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Post by andrewp on Jun 19, 2023 14:52:48 GMT
First Parliamentary by election in Somerset since 1970.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jun 19, 2023 14:58:47 GMT
Everyone? 40% of the population earn less than £12,500 a year. An increase in the threshold gives them nothing. It doesn't 'give' anyone anything. It just stops taking so much money off people. If they aren't taking anything from you in the first place, you can hardly complain if they don't reduce the amount they're taking.. It does give them something - an incentive to go out and earn more without it being stolen off them. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 19, 2023 15:28:32 GMT
First Parliamentary by election in Somerset since 1970. 4th January in Minehead and then 12th March in Bridgwater. |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 19, 2023 17:11:02 GMT
I think some of the comments on this thread embody exactly why I want Labour to campaign seriously here and would not be too disappointed to see the Tories win it as a result
Personally, I certainly wouldn't want to see the Tories win. But there are scenarios other than the ones already set out.
The 1994 Eastleigh by election has things to teach us here. Marilyn Birks, the Labour candidate wrote an article after it, entitled "How we won by coming second".
Perth and Kinross by-election a similar example? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jun 19, 2023 17:26:47 GMT
It doesn't 'give' anyone anything. It just stops taking so much money off people. If they aren't taking anything from you in the first place, you can hardly complain if they don't reduce the amount they're taking.. It does give them something - an incentive to go out and earn more without it being stolen off them. Junior Lib Dem denounces taxes as theft |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jun 19, 2023 17:41:08 GMT
@europeanlefty commented that he doesn't think that my party is progressive. I served as a DWP civil servant for 8 years under Labour and if anything it was a more regressive experience than the four and a half years I did under the coalition (where of course all the most regressive bits had antecedents in what Labour did in their 13 years in power). As Starmer's likely pathway of governance is going to be like Brown post 2008, don't expect much in the way of progressive governance...
It really depends on ones definition of 'progressive'. For me, the Coalition was by far the most progressive administration in my lifetime - others will have different perspectives.
For a lot of people 'progressive' simply means 'anti-Tory', or more recently 'anti-Brexit'. But then these are the same people who argue without any sense of self-irony that PR would be good because it would permanently lock out specific parties from government...
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jun 19, 2023 17:56:20 GMT
It does give them something - an incentive to go out and earn more without it being stolen off them. Junior Lib Dem denounces taxes as theft I think that technically they are. They are taken by force, without consent. With that said, I see no other way that a society can reasonably function, so I view them as a necessary evil. And that is why I am not an anarchist. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 19, 2023 17:59:39 GMT
Rubbish. If the tax threshold goes up £1000, and the rate is 20%, everyone saves £200. Clearly £200 is of more importance to a low earner than a high earner. As several others have pointed out, if you're already below the threshold you get £nothing. And if you're only just above it, you benefit to the tune of pennies. However if you're a higher rate taxpayer you get the full whack. For that reason the distributional effect of increasing the personal allowance is strongly biased towards higher earners; if it's something intended to help lower earners, it has a massive deadweight cost. If you really want to do something using the Income Tax system to help lower earners then you should put up dividend tax credits (the Coalition announced cuts to them). The other and more insidious problem with increasing the personal allowance is that ensuring more people "get taken out of income tax altogether" means an impression goes round that lower earners are not contributing for the cost of government services, and that can influence spending decisions. There have also been some who argue that a modest income tax charge on lower incomes is healthy for society because being included in paying for government services contributes to the sense of being part of a community. And now you are resorting to outright Tory arguments that people below the tax threshold pay no tax. The poor pay a higher proportion of their income in council tax and indirect taxes (VAT, tobacco duty, green energy levies etc.) than the rich. See tables 8 and 9 of these files. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/datasets/theeffectsoftaxesandbenefitsonhouseholdincomefinancialyearending2014 |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 19, 2023 19:20:44 GMT
First Parliamentary by election in Somerset since 1970. A by election at which Trudy Sellick became the first eighteen year old to vote in a UK election. |
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