The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 14, 2023 10:14:24 GMT
Lots of talk about the Greens in Boleyn previously in this thread, not a word about the Indy AFAICS. I don't think he featured much in the predictions either.
Which just shows how tricky they actually are, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 10:18:48 GMT
Hasn't it already been established that the Tory candidate in Rotherham campaigned on Nimbyism? This. People also often forget how rural the 'Metropolitan' Borough of Rotherham is, outside Rotherham itself. |
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Post by YL on Jul 14, 2023 10:35:33 GMT
West Depwade is a Green gain, apparently.
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Post by stodge on Jul 14, 2023 10:35:49 GMT
Lots of talk about the Greens in Boleyn previously in this thread, not a word about the Indy AFAICS. I don't think he featured much in the predictions either. Which just shows how tricky they actually are, I suppose. Yes, Mirza blindsided me as well. He's a well known figure within Newham left-wing politics and he's able to tie together all the various anti-Labour left groups - you'll note no TUSC or Socialist Labour ran in Boleyn. It may be (and I don't know this for a fact) Mirza or one of his friends has a base of support in Boleyn - they've always had a core of activists and helpers and I can only conjecture they got a bit of advanced warning there might be a vacancy and did some work and get themselves established. |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 14, 2023 10:38:41 GMT
West Depwade
Green- 663
Con - 582
Lib Dem - 409
Ind - 405
Lab - 228
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Post by jamesdoyle on Jul 14, 2023 10:42:13 GMT
James I thought you were aligned with the Greens. Hadn't noticed you'd gone non-aligned, or else I'd forgotten. Same here. I have been non-aligned on here since 2018! Didn't renew my membership, so felt I shouldn't be active in a party room. I still consider myself 'Green' and would make them first choice (almost but not totally) automatically, but I needed to step away for a bit - I was completely burned out, not least because of some of the events of the campaigns of 2017 and 2018 (not within the Greens, I hasten to add, but externally). |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Jul 14, 2023 10:55:08 GMT
GWBWI
Grn +47
LDm +8
Lab +2
Con -62
Until the Norfolk result came in, Cons were leading with +29, Lab +5, LD +0, Grn -9 - so Depwade turned everything on its head! A dreadful -91 for the Cons there, and +55 for the Greens.
Newham's two results were almost exactly a wash: (Boleyn first) Cons -12 and +15, Lab -39 and +37, Grn +5 and -5. Mirza messed things up for everyone!
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jul 14, 2023 11:02:18 GMT
West Depwade is a Green gain, apparently. That's quite a gain, especially considering the Greens failed, albeit narrowly in some cases, to take a seat in South Norfolk district just 2 months ago. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 14, 2023 11:04:23 GMT
My sister says she didn’t bother to vote because she had a heavy cold, but I think she would probably have voted Green or Indy anyway
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 14, 2023 11:06:03 GMT
Hasn't it already been established that the Tory candidate in Rotherham campaigned on Nimbyism? You would be "surprised" (or maybe not) with how many "shock" local election results are down to that. The extent to which this is true is remarkable sometimes. It's also usually true NIMBYism as well: not opposition to development in general, but to development here. A good example, as well, of the extent to which local politics in Britain ends up being dominated by motivated minorities, which may or may not be an entirely good thing. |
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Post by YL on Jul 14, 2023 11:11:11 GMT
Is there a source for this thing about the Dinnington result being down to NIMBYism as opposed to more general disgruntlement with Rotherham council?
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Post by YL on Jul 14, 2023 11:16:46 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 14, 2023 11:17:30 GMT
Is there a source for this thing about the Dinnington result being down to NIMBYism as opposed to more general disgruntlement with Rotherham council? I've no idea on what anyone actually campaigned on, but there's plenty of local media coverage of local grumbling about an ongoing housing development that the council approved. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 14, 2023 11:18:10 GMT
The Green in West Depwade won with about 7% of the electorate in the ward backing her. Lol. Incidentally, I assume this is Catherine Rowett the former Green MEP for Eastern England? (apologies if already mentioned but didn't appear to be in the OP) |
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Post by thirdchill on Jul 14, 2023 11:18:56 GMT
Hasn't it already been established that the Tory candidate in Rotherham campaigned on Nimbyism? You would be "surprised" (or maybe not) with how many "shock" local election results are down to that. The extent to which this is true is remarkable sometimes. It's also usually true NIMBYism as well: not opposition to development in general, but to development here. A good example, as well, of the extent to which local politics in Britain ends up being dominated by motivated minorities, which may or may not be an entirely good thing. And that's particularly the case in low turnout elections (the motivated minority compromise a larger proportion of those turning out to vote). The impact is a mixed bag. Whilst voting on a more local level (i.e. performance of council) and not just on whether the governing party nationally is hated or not is certainly a good thing, it's not an entirely good thing when that motivated minority votes consistently to shut the door on policies that could have significant benefits for others (i.e. more homes to live in). Though that motivated minority probably wouldn't put it like that... (but then I am biased, in that I have come to despise NIMBYism and believe it to be part of the reason why economic growth is sluggish). |
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 14, 2023 11:20:58 GMT
The Green in West Depwade won with about 7% of the electorate in the ward backing her. Lol. Incidentally, I assume this is Catherine Rowett the former Green MEP for Eastern England? (apologies if already mentioned but didn't appear to be in the OP) Yes, it is. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jul 14, 2023 11:23:31 GMT
West Depwade (Norfolk) Council By-Election Result:
GRN: 29.0% (+19.7)
CON: 25.4% (-18.2)
LDM: 17.9% (+7.4)
IND: 17.7% (-6.0)
LAB: 10.0% (-2.8)
Green GAIN from Conservative.
Changes w/ 2021.
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Post by jamesdoyle on Jul 14, 2023 11:23:44 GMT
Is there a source for this thing about the Dinnington result being down to NIMBYism as opposed to more general disgruntlement with Rotherham council? I've no idea on what anyone actually campaigned on, but there's plenty of local media coverage of local grumbling about an ongoing housing development that the council approved. So in all likelihood, people have voted for Con over Lab because they're unhappy about a development that a Labour council couldn't prevent or modify because of Conservative planning policy. |
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Post by iang on Jul 14, 2023 11:41:43 GMT
Also, nobody should underestimate the importance of incumbency in terms of who controls their local council. Some council administrations are pretty popular, many are not. Ticket-splitting on a grand scale is not exactly unusual in British electoral politics, indeed quite a few members of this forum practise it themselves. I think as a development of that point, in the context of a by-election any party is vulnerable if it has a big or overwhelming majority, as whichever opponent is placed best can use the (to be fair, it seems to me, perfectly legit) argument that an independent / opposition voice on the council will have more effect than yet one more voice / vote for the ruling group, whichever that party happens to be - but in this case, that worked against Labour |
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Post by matureleft on Jul 14, 2023 13:29:38 GMT
Also, nobody should underestimate the importance of incumbency in terms of who controls their local council. Some council administrations are pretty popular, many are not. Ticket-splitting on a grand scale is not exactly unusual in British electoral politics, indeed quite a few members of this forum practise it themselves. I think as a development of that point, in the context of a by-election any party is vulnerable if it has a big or overwhelming majority, as whichever opponent is placed best can use the (to be fair, it seems to me, perfectly legit) argument that an independent / opposition voice on the council will have more effect than yet one more voice / vote for the ruling group, whichever that party happens to be - but in this case, that worked against Labour Yup. I’ve seen that argument deployed, and it’s counter, that being a tiny minority on a council dominated by one party is a recipe for being ignored, and what ward wants that. |
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