wallington
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Post by wallington on May 7, 2024 9:51:21 GMT
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 9:54:57 GMT
Why go on the list at all then?
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Post by london(ex)tory on May 7, 2024 10:00:04 GMT
Why go on the list at all then? I expect she might have hung around a little longer if Zoe (mayoral candidate) had been elected in her own right in 4th place. But we’ll never know.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 7, 2024 10:00:07 GMT
Probably didn't think it through. Ultimately, she had to make a choice. Either she stayed in London and give up Brighton, or she sticks with her campaign. After all, if she wins in Brighton, she couldn't have been a Brighton MP and an AM in London. It would've looked ridiculous and probably cost her the Brighton seat before she really even got started in the campaign.
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wallington
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Post by wallington on May 7, 2024 10:07:42 GMT
Why go on the list at all then? Personally, I would have dropped off the list before the election. Sian had very little involvement with the campaign, with Zack, Zoe and Caroline doing most of the legwork.
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 10:08:57 GMT
Probably didn't think it through. Ultimately, she had to make a choice. Either she stayed in London and give up Brighton, or she sticks with her campaign. After all, if she wins in Brighton, she couldn't have been a Brighton MP and an AM in London. It would've looked ridiculous and probably cost her the Brighton seat before she really even got started in the campaign. Resigning if/when she becomes an MP would be standard enough practice, it’s happened quite a bit before and sometimes it’s been a Westminster seat outside of London such as Kemi Badenoch But I suppose the Greens are still a smaller party and there may still be some uncertainty about how Brighton will go with Caroline Lucas out the picture so maybe best to look 100% focussed on it
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 7, 2024 10:15:31 GMT
Opponents of the Green Party in Brighton have been drawing attention to Sian Berry's continued connection to London.
What I'm not sure on is whether this is some sort of hedge. If Berry is not elected at the general election, and one of the Green Party AMs resigns, could Berry take up the place?
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 10:20:10 GMT
Opponents of the Green Party in Brighton have been drawing attention to Sian Berry's continued connection to London. What I'm not sure on is whether this is some sort of hedge. If Berry is not elected at the general election, and one of the Green Party AMs resigns, could Berry take up the place? Certainly in the Scottish Parliament system I’m not aware of going back up the list being allowed. If the member resigns or dies it keeps going down the list, if it runs out of names for some reason such as people refusing to take up the position then the seat is left vacant until the next election The Northern Ireland co-option system under STV is different as there’s no list and the parties can choose whoever they want, so someone can resign then later be co-opted back in there
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cogload
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Post by cogload on May 7, 2024 10:26:08 GMT
Opponents of the Green Party in Brighton have been drawing attention to Sian Berry's continued connection to London. What I'm not sure on is whether this is some sort of hedge. If Berry is not elected at the general election, and one of the Green Party AMs resigns, could Berry take up the place? This makes it worse. Gilt edged opportunity for Labour.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 7, 2024 10:31:05 GMT
Opponents of the Green Party in Brighton have been drawing attention to Sian Berry's continued connection to London. What I'm not sure on is whether this is some sort of hedge. If Berry is not elected at the general election, and one of the Green Party AMs resigns, could Berry take up the place? Certainly in the Scottish Parliament system I’m not aware of going back up the list being allowed. If the member resigns or dies it keeps going down the list, if it runs out of names for some reason such as people refusing to take up the position then the seat is left vacant until the next election. Here's the law. There is no mention of any previous resignation; instead the only qualifications are that they were on the list and are willing to serve. While Berry was not willing to serve in May 2024, she could have changed her mind.
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 10:40:02 GMT
Certainly in the Scottish Parliament system I’m not aware of going back up the list being allowed. If the member resigns or dies it keeps going down the list, if it runs out of names for some reason such as people refusing to take up the position then the seat is left vacant until the next election. Here's the law. There is no mention of any previous resignation; instead the only qualifications are that they were on the list and are willing to serve. While Berry was not willing to serve in May 2024, she could have changed her mind. I suppose there may be some ambiguity, if nothing else I don’t think it’s ever been tried in any of the UK systems where there been party lists
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 7, 2024 11:06:49 GMT
Opponents of the Green Party in Brighton have been drawing attention to Sian Berry's continued connection to London. What I'm not sure on is whether this is some sort of hedge. If Berry is not elected at the general election, and one of the Green Party AMs resigns, could Berry take up the place? Certainly in the Scottish Parliament system I’m not aware of going back up the list being allowed. If the member resigns or dies it keeps going down the list, if it runs out of names for some reason such as people refusing to take up the position then the seat is left vacant until the next election The Northern Ireland co-option system under STV is different as there’s no list and the parties can choose whoever they want, so someone can resign then later be co-opted back in there That's what happened with Margo McDonald of course. When she died, her seat remained vacant.
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 11:18:59 GMT
Certainly in the Scottish Parliament system I’m not aware of going back up the list being allowed. If the member resigns or dies it keeps going down the list, if it runs out of names for some reason such as people refusing to take up the position then the seat is left vacant until the next election The Northern Ireland co-option system under STV is different as there’s no list and the parties can choose whoever they want, so someone can resign then later be co-opted back in there That's what happened with Margo McDonald of course. When she died, her seat remained vacant. I remember the Tories also ended up down to their last name on one of the lists in 2017, due to resignations after some MSPs got elected to Westminster and some candidates further down on the list also becoming MPs
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2024 11:41:11 GMT
IMO in those circumstances the next willing candidate from any party (or none) who missed out in the original list election should get the nod.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 22, 2024 20:15:44 GMT
At the West Central count I asked and it seems they will provide borough level totals for each election, although it will need "two days" of calculating next week. As I think the other constituency counts used the same procedure, presumably that's the case across London. Did anyone get any ward breakdowns of the results from their local council?
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wallington
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Post by wallington on May 22, 2024 21:25:37 GMT
At the West Central count I asked and it seems they will provide borough level totals for each election, although it will need "two days" of calculating next week. As I think the other constituency counts used the same procedure, presumably that's the case across London. Did anyone get any ward breakdowns of the results from their local council? I was told that the London ERO refused to allow councils to do this, but the advice I was given from electoral services was not always correct...
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