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Post by swindonlad on Apr 4, 2023 17:13:16 GMT
Swindon is a unitary authority, surely? It is |
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Post by batman on Apr 4, 2023 18:10:39 GMT
I mean, I would know that, as I have an acquaintance on one of the parish councils in the town (it is weird that Swindon has parish councillors)
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Post by ColinJ on Apr 5, 2023 13:37:41 GMT
Now that the SOPN has been published, I can confirm that I am one of the two Labour candidates standing in the Chorleywood South and Maple Cross double-header election to Three Rivers District Council. Additionally, I am one of the four Labour candidates in the Abbots Langley ward of Abbots Langley Parish Council election.
Mrs ColinJ is standing in Leavesden ward for both the district and parish election.
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Apr 6, 2023 13:03:30 GMT
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Post by nick10 on Apr 6, 2023 13:55:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 15:11:50 GMT
I mean, I would know that, as I have an acquaintance on one of the parish councils in the town (it is weird that Swindon has parish councillors) Well, Swindon doesn't but the surrounding villages which are part of the borough do (I realise that's what you meant, but it's not quite as weird as it sounds) |
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Post by swindonlad on Apr 7, 2023 10:03:15 GMT
I mean, I would know that, as I have an acquaintance on one of the parish councils in the town (it is weird that Swindon has parish councillors) Well, Swindon doesn't but the surrounding villages which are part of the borough do (I realise that's what you meant, but it's not quite as weird as it sounds) All of Swindon is parished, most of it was parished historically, including some urban areas such as Stratton & Haydon Wick. Then the council decided to Parish the rest in order to pass some services to the parishes. |
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Post by r34t on Apr 7, 2023 10:05:24 GMT
Well, Swindon doesn't but the surrounding villages which are part of the borough do (I realise that's what you meant, but it's not quite as weird as it sounds) All of Swindon is perished, most of it was parished historically, including some urban areas such as Stratton & Haydon Wick. Then the council decided to Parish the rest in order to pass some services to the parishes. Don’t correct, right first time 😀 |
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Post by Sharon on Apr 13, 2023 20:32:03 GMT
As already mentioned, I'm standing for Swaythling ward, SCC for Labour, and although we normally elect in thirds, this year we've got all outs on new boundaries, before reverting to thirds next year, so if (a big if) elected, I'd get either a 1, 3 or 4 year term.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 13, 2023 21:42:26 GMT
As already mentioned, I'm standing for Swaythling ward, SCC for Labour, and although we normally elect in thirds, this year we've got all outs on new boundaries, before reverting to thirds next year, so if (a big if) elected, I'd get either a 1, 3 or 4 year term. That's odd, it's normal that an all-up resets the cycle, so you get a fallow year following, with a 2-, 3-, and 4-year term for the winners. (Good luck) |
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Post by maxque on Apr 13, 2023 21:47:37 GMT
As already mentioned, I'm standing for Swaythling ward, SCC for Labour, and although we normally elect in thirds, this year we've got all outs on new boundaries, before reverting to thirds next year, so if (a big if) elected, I'd get either a 1, 3 or 4 year term. That's odd, it's normal that an all-up resets the cycle, so you get a fallow year following, with a 2-, 3-, and 4-year term for the winners. (Good luck) Not anymore. These days, the LGBCE doesn't care about that, you get to use the new map when it's ready and the cycle you get depends on when is the county elections year. |
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Post by Sharon on Apr 14, 2023 5:34:41 GMT
As already mentioned, I'm standing for Swaythling ward, SCC for Labour, and although we normally elect in thirds, this year we've got all outs on new boundaries, before reverting to thirds next year, so if (a big if) elected, I'd get either a 1, 3 or 4 year term. That's odd, it's normal that an all-up resets the cycle, so you get a fallow year following, with a 2-, 3-, and 4-year term for the winners. (Good luck) Because we're unitary, our fallow year is when the County is up - in 2 years time. Thanks  |
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Post by r34t on Apr 14, 2023 6:22:43 GMT
As already mentioned, I'm standing for Swaythling ward, SCC for Labour, and although we normally elect in thirds, this year we've got all outs on new boundaries, before reverting to thirds next year, so if (a big if) elected, I'd get either a 1, 3 or 4 year term. That's odd, it's normal that an all-up resets the cycle, so you get a fallow year following, with a 2-, 3-, and 4-year term for the winners. (Good luck) I thought new boundaries came along with abandoning the thirds system & introducing all outs (as in Bristol) 🤔 anyway, good luck !! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 14, 2023 7:35:19 GMT
That's odd, it's normal that an all-up resets the cycle, so you get a fallow year following, with a 2-, 3-, and 4-year term for the winners. (Good luck) I thought new boundaries came along with abandoning the thirds system & introducing all outs (as in Bristol) 🤔 anyway, good luck !! If that were the case there wouldn't any longer be any councils electing by thirds |
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Post by greenhert on Apr 14, 2023 8:05:36 GMT
That's odd, it's normal that an all-up resets the cycle, so you get a fallow year following, with a 2-, 3-, and 4-year term for the winners. (Good luck) I thought new boundaries came along with abandoning the thirds system & introducing all outs (as in Bristol) 🤔 anyway, good luck !! Many have in recent years but it is by no means mandatory. That said, all councils should scrap the by-thirds system-it wastes money, causes voter fatigue, and forces unacceptable boundaries on communities especially in more rural districts. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Apr 14, 2023 8:15:02 GMT
I thought new boundaries came along with abandoning the thirds system & introducing all outs (as in Bristol) 🤔 anyway, good luck !! Many have in recent years but it is by no means mandatory. That said, all councils should scrap the by-thirds system-it wastes money, causes voter fatigue, and forces unacceptable boundaries on communities especially in more rural districts. Voting by thirds causes voter fatigue, please provide evidence to support this. I prefer by thirds, voters have a say more often, probably why the current government doesn't seem to like it. |
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Post by matureleft on Apr 14, 2023 8:51:29 GMT
Many have in recent years but it is by no means mandatory. That said, all councils should scrap the by-thirds system-it wastes money, causes voter fatigue, and forces unacceptable boundaries on communities especially in more rural districts. Voting by thirds causes voter fatigue, please provide evidence to support this. I prefer by thirds, voters have a say more often, probably why the current government doesn't seem to like it. Voting by thirds has a number of party advantages: 1. Getting people to vote for a single candidate in a ward is a lot easier than getting them to vote in a disciplined way for two or three. 2. It keeps the party machine working on an ongoing basis - that's particularly true in the remaining two-tier areas, with elections every year. 3. It's a bit easier to manage mid-term resignations - with care and co-operation they can normally be combined with the normal May cycle. With all-outs by-elections are almost certain. I don't think there's any evidence of voter fatigue in by-thirds councils. But there's certainly a cost that one or two avoided by-elections wouldn't cover. It does produce the possibility of very sharp changes. Whether that's desirable is arguable. Potentially it means a council can have a 4 year term with the possibility of a more strategic approach whereas with finely balanced by-thirds councils the tactics for the next election must always be in mind. Arguably in properly contested wards the electorate might get a more responsive cohort of councillors with by-thirds - less of "we only see you at elections". I always favoured by-thirds, but it's certainly arguable. Incidentally by-thirds doesn't necessarily mean huge wards in rural areas - you just need to organise the cycle to allow single member wards to come up every 4 years at some point. Plenty of councils elect by thirds but have varying numbers of councillors per ward. |
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Post by Sg1 on Apr 14, 2023 10:35:31 GMT
Voting by thirds causes voter fatigue, please provide evidence to support this. I prefer by thirds, voters have a say more often, probably why the current government doesn't seem to like it. Voting by thirds has a number of party advantages: 1. Getting people to vote for a single candidate in a ward is a lot easier than getting them to vote in a disciplined way for two or three. 2. It keeps the party machine working on an ongoing basis - that's particularly true in the remaining two-tier areas, with elections every year. 3. It's a bit easier to manage mid-term resignations - with care and co-operation they can normally be combined with the normal May cycle. With all-outs by-elections are almost certain. I don't think there's any evidence of voter fatigue in by-thirds councils. But there's certainly a cost that one or two avoided by-elections wouldn't cover. It does produce the possibility of very sharp changes. Whether that's desirable is arguable. Potentially it means a council can have a 4 year term with the possibility of a more strategic approach whereas with finely balanced by-thirds councils the tactics for the next election must always be in mind. Arguably in properly contested wards the electorate might get a more responsive cohort of councillors with by-thirds - less of "we only see you at elections". I always favoured by-thirds, but it's certainly arguable. Incidentally by-thirds doesn't necessarily mean huge wards in rural areas - you just need to organise the cycle to allow single member wards to come up every 4 years at some point. Plenty of councils elect by thirds but have varying numbers of councillors per ward. Interesting perspective, I'd say having experienced a rare council that elects by halves, that in my view all out elections tend to favour more organised local parties as it reveals candidates that 'you only see at election time'. I've also never seen voter fatigue for either method beyond the usual apathy for some voters towards local elections. Do our local parties tend to favour all outs or by thirds / halves these days? There was always a perception when I was involved that all out councils received more campaign funding from the central party due to the possibility of power changing hands. On the other hand, most of the difficulties in fielding full slates tend to occur in all outs, meaning that parties may miss out on winnable seats merely through not being able to find enough candidates |
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Post by r34t on Apr 14, 2023 11:01:30 GMT
Voting by thirds has a number of party advantages: 1. Getting people to vote for a single candidate in a ward is a lot easier than getting them to vote in a disciplined way for two or three. 2. It keeps the party machine working on an ongoing basis - that's particularly true in the remaining two-tier areas, with elections every year. 3. It's a bit easier to manage mid-term resignations - with care and co-operation they can normally be combined with the normal May cycle. With all-outs by-elections are almost certain. I don't think there's any evidence of voter fatigue in by-thirds councils. But there's certainly a cost that one or two avoided by-elections wouldn't cover. It does produce the possibility of very sharp changes. Whether that's desirable is arguable. Potentially it means a council can have a 4 year term with the possibility of a more strategic approach whereas with finely balanced by-thirds councils the tactics for the next election must always be in mind. Arguably in properly contested wards the electorate might get a more responsive cohort of councillors with by-thirds - less of "we only see you at elections". I always favoured by-thirds, but it's certainly arguable. Incidentally by-thirds doesn't necessarily mean huge wards in rural areas - you just need to organise the cycle to allow single member wards to come up every 4 years at some point. Plenty of councils elect by thirds but have varying numbers of councillors per ward. Interesting perspective, I'd say having experienced a rare council that elects by halves, that in my view all out elections tend to favour more organised local parties as it reveals candidates that 'you only see at election time'. I've also never seen voter fatigue for either method beyond the usual apathy for some voters towards local elections. Do our local parties tend to favour all outs or by thirds / halves these days? There was always a perception when I was involved that all out councils received more campaign funding from the central party due to the possibility of power changing hands. On the other hand, most of the difficulties in fielding full slates tend to occur in all outs, meaning that parties may miss out on winnable seats merely through not being able to find enough candidates "One responsibility of politicians is to take difficult but necessary decisions. This is less likely to happen when an election is on the horizon" Discuss |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 14, 2023 11:10:28 GMT
Interesting perspective, I'd say having experienced a rare council that elects by halves, that in my view all out elections tend to favour more organised local parties as it reveals candidates that 'you only see at election time'. I've also never seen voter fatigue for either method beyond the usual apathy for some voters towards local elections. Do our local parties tend to favour all outs or by thirds / halves these days? There was always a perception when I was involved that all out councils received more campaign funding from the central party due to the possibility of power changing hands. On the other hand, most of the difficulties in fielding full slates tend to occur in all outs, meaning that parties may miss out on winnable seats merely through not being able to find enough candidates "One responsibility of politicians is to take difficult but necessary decisions. This is less likely to happen when an election is on the horizon" Discuss To give the perspective of a local government employee, we much preferred all outs, as it led to more sensible administrative decisions, as the politicians weren't campaigning all the time. So yes on the whole better decisions, although there's no accounting for the idiocy of many politicians. |
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