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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 6, 2023 13:49:35 GMT
Kallas has said no deal with EKRE, everything else is on the table.
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Post by iain on Mar 7, 2023 12:57:14 GMT
Looks like Reform and E200 have enough seats for a purely liberal government. I'd imagine both parties would see that as ideal, but with a majority of just 1, they may want another party involved - E200 would probably prefer the SDE, but Reform may want Isamaa. The current Reform-Isamaa-SDE coalition also has a majority. Kallas (Reform) has begun negotiations with E200 and the SDE. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 16, 2023 4:22:27 GMT
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Post by iain on Apr 18, 2023 14:44:51 GMT
I'd imagine both parties would see that as ideal, but with a majority of just 1, they may want another party involved - E200 would probably prefer the SDE, but Reform may want Isamaa. The current Reform-Isamaa-SDE coalition also has a majority. Kallas (Reform) has begun negotiations with E200 and the SDE. And a coalition has been agreed. VAT and income tax will rise, as will the income tax threshold, and a car tax will be introduced. Money is going into defence spending (up to 3% of GDP), the green transition and energy efficiency and a regional investment policy is being created. All education will be in Estonian for pre-school by 2027 and for basic education by 2030, and plans are being put in place to legalise same-sex marriage. |
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Post by rcronald on Apr 18, 2023 15:00:51 GMT
Kallas (Reform) has begun negotiations with E200 and the SDE. And a coalition has been agreed. VAT and income tax will rise, as will the income tax threshold, and a car tax will be introduced. Money is going into defence spending (up to 3% of GDP), the green transition and energy efficiency and a regional investment policy is being created. All education will be in Estonian for pre-school by 2027 and for basic education by 2030, and plans are being put in place to legalise same-sex marriage. Seems like Reform gave up a lot on taxation.... |
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 19, 2023 8:46:05 GMT
Kallas (Reform) has begun negotiations with E200 and the SDE. And a coalition has been agreed. VAT and income tax will rise, as will the income tax threshold, and a car tax will be introduced. Money is going into defence spending (up to 3% of GDP), the green transition and energy efficiency and a regional investment policy is being created. All education will be in Estonian for pre-school by 2027 and for basic education by 2030, and plans are being put in place to legalise same-sex marriage.
What a short-sighted, confrontational, bigoted and vindictive decision. It will do nothing to convince the Russian minority of the merits of Western liberal democracy over Russian authoritarianism, on the contrary. If they do the same to the Russians as the Russians did to them before, they'll have learned nothing from history.
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Post by rcronald on Apr 19, 2023 8:48:49 GMT
And a coalition has been agreed. VAT and income tax will rise, as will the income tax threshold, and a car tax will be introduced. Money is going into defence spending (up to 3% of GDP), the green transition and energy efficiency and a regional investment policy is being created. All education will be in Estonian for pre-school by 2027 and for basic education by 2030, and plans are being put in place to legalise same-sex marriage.
What a short-sighted, confrontational, bigoted and vindictive decision. It will do nothing to convince the Russian minority of the merits of Western liberal democracy over Russian authoritarianism, on the contrary. If they do the same to the Russians as the Russians did to them before, they'll have learned nothing from history.
I find it hilarious that Reform refuses to sit with EKRE despite both of them being Estonian nationalist parties. |
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Post by iain on Apr 19, 2023 9:22:02 GMT
What a short-sighted, confrontational, bigoted and vindictive decision. It will do nothing to convince the Russian minority of the merits of Western liberal democracy over Russian authoritarianism, on the contrary. If they do the same to the Russians as the Russians did to them before, they'll have learned nothing from history.
I find it hilarious that Reform refuses to sit with EKRE despite both of them being Estonian nationalist parties. Erm, no, not really. There is general consensus about wanting a change to Estonian language policy across the political divide (excluding Centre for obvious reasons), but Reform and EKRE aren't terribly similar at all. |
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Post by iain on Apr 19, 2023 9:26:36 GMT
And a coalition has been agreed. VAT and income tax will rise, as will the income tax threshold, and a car tax will be introduced. Money is going into defence spending (up to 3% of GDP), the green transition and energy efficiency and a regional investment policy is being created. All education will be in Estonian for pre-school by 2027 and for basic education by 2030, and plans are being put in place to legalise same-sex marriage.
What a short-sighted, confrontational, bigoted and vindictive decision. It will do nothing to convince the Russian minority of the merits of Western liberal democracy over Russian authoritarianism, on the contrary. If they do the same to the Russians as the Russians did to them before, they'll have learned nothing from history.
It's a policy I am mildly against, but you have gone way over the top here. I don't think Estonia is going to be sending any Russians off to Siberia. It is understandable that a small country with a history of being invaded by it's larger neighbour wants to ensure that its own language, not that of its neighbour, is used for instruction everywhere. You also have to remember that most Estonians will see the Russians in their country as (possibly second generation) migrants (not unfairly I might add), and I don't think most countries would tolerate a migrant group setting up their own schools which use a foreign language. As I say, I am mildly against the policy, but it's a lot more complicated than you have made out there. |
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Post by rcronald on Apr 19, 2023 9:42:12 GMT
I find it hilarious that Reform refuses to sit with EKRE despite both of them being Estonian nationalist parties. Erm, no, not really. There is general consensus about wanting a change to Estonian language policy across the political divide (excluding Centre for obvious reasons), but Reform and EKRE aren't terribly similar at all. I could be wrong, but I believe they were pretty nationalistic under Ansip at the very least. |
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Post by iain on Apr 19, 2023 9:52:28 GMT
Erm, no, not really. There is general consensus about wanting a change to Estonian language policy across the political divide (excluding Centre for obvious reasons), but Reform and EKRE aren't terribly similar at all. I could be wrong, but I believe they were pretty nationalistic under Ansip at the very least. Possibly they leant more nationalist at that point, but they and EKRE are not very similar at the moment. In UK terms Reform are sort of Osborne-ite, whilst EKRE probably sit somewhere near continuity UKIP. I think populist is a better description for EKRE than nationalist - though of course nationalism is part of that - and Reform certainly aren't populist. You also have to remember that this is Estonia, so almost everyone is operating on the right of the political spectrum. |
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Post by rcronald on Apr 19, 2023 9:57:43 GMT
I could be wrong, but I believe they were pretty nationalistic under Ansip at the very least. Possibly they leant more nationalist at that point, but they and EKRE are not very similar at the moment. In UK terms Reform are sort of Osborne-ite, whilst EKRE probably sit somewhere near continuity UKIP (I think populist is a better description for EKRE than nationalist - though of course nationalism is part of that - and Reform certainly aren't populist. You also have to remember that this is Estonia, so almost everyone is operating on the right of the political spectrum. I know the differences between EKRE & Reform ( Reform is Classically Liberal with some mild nationalistic tendencies and EKRE is like your average ID party but anti-Russia for obvious reasons), but I still don’t understand why Reform chose to sit with SDE instead of only sitting with E200 or maybe E200+Isamaa. |
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Post by iain on Apr 19, 2023 10:42:59 GMT
Possibly they leant more nationalist at that point, but they and EKRE are not very similar at the moment. In UK terms Reform are sort of Osborne-ite, whilst EKRE probably sit somewhere near continuity UKIP (I think populist is a better description for EKRE than nationalist - though of course nationalism is part of that - and Reform certainly aren't populist. You also have to remember that this is Estonia, so almost everyone is operating on the right of the political spectrum. I know the differences between EKRE & Reform ( Reform is Classically Liberal with some mild nationalistic tendencies and EKRE is like your average ID party but anti-Russia for obvious reasons), but I still don’t understand why Reform chose to sit with SDE instead of only sitting with E200 or maybe E200+Isamaa. Well as I said upthread, I imagine just Reform-E200 was felt to be too narrow. As to why the SDE were chosen over Isamaa, I don't know - maybe E200 didn't want to work with Isamaa, maybe Reform felt that the SDE were more reliable partners in the last government, maybe Isamaa wanted a break from power. Could be many different reasons. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 19, 2023 11:00:35 GMT
What a short-sighted, confrontational, bigoted and vindictive decision. It will do nothing to convince the Russian minority of the merits of Western liberal democracy over Russian authoritarianism, on the contrary. If they do the same to the Russians as the Russians did to them before, they'll have learned nothing from history.
It's a policy I am mildly against, but you have gone way over the top here. I don't think Estonia is going to be sending any Russians off to Siberia. It is understandable that a small country with a history of being invaded by it's larger neighbour wants to ensure that its own language, not that of its neighbour, is used for instruction everywhere. You also have to remember that most Estonians will see the Russians in their country as (possibly second generation) migrants (not unfairly I might add), and I don't think most countries would tolerate a migrant group setting up their own schools which use a foreign language. As I say, I am mildly against the policy, but it's a lot more complicated than you have made out there.
It's complicated, I agree, but I really don't think it's a very helpful policy. Is it fair to speak of a 'foreign' language in places like Ida-Viru County where more than 70 % speak it as their mother tongue?
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