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Post by rockefeller on Nov 5, 2022 15:15:21 GMT
What if Boris nominated for leader in October and ran against Rishi Sunak? Who wins?
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 5, 2022 15:31:06 GMT
What if Boris nominated for leader in October and ran against Rishi Sunak? Who wins? On your terms which are of course pointless and foolish we can only give educated guesses. v. the mass public, voting and no-voting for any party Sunak. v. the voting public for any party Sunak v. the Conservative voters or lean/possible Conservative narrowly Sunak v. hardcore Conservative voters narrowly Johnson v. Conservative paid-up members Johnson v. Conservative Parliamentary Party Sunak. I am not voting as it is pointless and the question is ill-defined and I don't like the phrase 'ran against' and it is now over and Sunak is consolidating position daily. |
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Post by rockefeller on Nov 5, 2022 15:40:50 GMT
What if Boris nominated for leader in October and ran against Rishi Sunak? Who wins? it is now over and Sunak is consolidating position daily. Hence, alternate history  |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 5, 2022 15:43:35 GMT
it is now over and Sunak is consolidating position daily. Hence, alternate history Thence total waste of time and effort. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 5, 2022 15:56:38 GMT
Hence, alternate history Thence total waste of time and effort. Hence, it is in the alternate (sic) history forum. Quite as pointless I suppose (albeit less off topic) than threads about tennis, Eurovision, books and films. Thankfully it is not obligatory to post on any of these threads. The correct criticism to make of conservativeestimate here is History programmes (usually American) that use the present tense to describe historical events. Or in this case to descibe alternative history in the present tense. If the premise is 'What if Boris [had been] nominated for leader in October..' then the correct supplementary question is 'who would have won'? Presenting the question as 'who wins?' sounds fuckwitted. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 5, 2022 15:57:34 GMT
it is now over and Sunak is consolidating position daily. Hence, alternate history The thing about an alternative is that it is singular. There is only one alternative to anything. An 'alternate' history is both tortured English and likely to be incohate, as any history is a compound of many things and many happenings, for which your term postulates but one change only! In a binary situation of a vote between just two people an 'alternative' solution is possible because there is only room for that one single choice. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Nov 6, 2022 3:21:20 GMT
What if Boris nominated for leader in October and ran against Rishi Sunak? Who wins?
If it's true that he got the requisite 100 nominations and decide to go through with it, the 1922 would have to decide
- whether to have a 'confirmatory' MPs vote with the two candidates. - whether the threshold in the said vote before going to the members would be 100 or some other number.
It was therefore in their gift to scupper Johnson's re-leadership bid by changing the rules as necessary. And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody in the 1922 'had a quiet word' with the Johnson team about this.
Obviously if it went to the members, Johnson would win. Possibly not overwhelmingly, but 60-40 or thereabouts.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 6, 2022 12:47:19 GMT
You think the members would have voted Johnson even if the MPs "confirmatory vote" went strongly for Sunak?
Especially given what had just happened, I could see that swinging quite a few Tory members who weren't strongly committed to either candidate.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 6, 2022 12:49:19 GMT
You think the members would have voted Johnson even if the MPs "confirmatory vote" went strongly for Sunak? Especially given what had just happened, I could see that swinging quite a few Tory members who weren't strongly committed to either, Quite possibly. And the confirmatory vote might have made that more, rather than less likely.  |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 6, 2022 13:40:15 GMT
Well that was always the banter option Being serious though, I wonder if the preceding chaos might have had a sobering effect on some. |
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