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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 6, 2022 20:03:11 GMT
That’s what I assume he means, not a million miles off what happened in N.Shropshire/Bexley and Tiverton/Wakefield. Although to say bugger will happen in the other seat is a bit much.
Although not to dampen the spirits of my fellow LDs I can’t see Mid Bedfordshire as being as fertile territory as Chesham, N Shropshire or Tiverton for the LDs.
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Post by batman on Sept 6, 2022 22:12:30 GMT
on paper it looks like less fertile than Chesham & Tiverton, maybe not all that different from N Shropshire though. Perhaps a slightly tougher ask. But then, the Tories are weaker in the polls, at the moment, than they were at the time of the N Shropshire by-election.
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Post by neilm on Sept 7, 2022 4:05:05 GMT
If this is held off until a dissolution, and Dorries doesn't get one, what's the chance of her spilling some beans in revenge?I wondered initially whether this was going to be a Rooker or Morgan style appointment- gets ennobled and then back as a minister instantly. Revenge for what? A delay to a guaranteed life peerage of 2 years? The chance of a backbench MP's salary until then? If it gets held off and she doesn't get one. I can see her throwing some toys out of the pram in that case. |
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Post by batman on Sept 7, 2022 5:17:21 GMT
Revenge for what? A delay to a guaranteed life peerage of 2 years? The chance of a backbench MP's salary until then? If it gets held off and she doesn't get one. I can see her throwing some toys out of the pram in that case. although it seems ridiculous, you may actually have a point. She is not exactly noted for logical thinking. |
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Post by matureleft on Sept 7, 2022 6:20:53 GMT
If this is held off until a dissolution, and Dorries doesn't get one, what's the chance of her spilling some beans in revenge?I wondered initially whether this was going to be a Rooker or Morgan style appointment- gets ennobled and then back as a minister instantly. Revenge for what? A delay to a guaranteed life peerage of 2 years? The chance of a backbench MP's salary until then? I’d guess she makes rather more money from her novels. However she’s demonstrated that she can dash those off while being an MP. Of course resigning in a huff would probably jeopardise the peerage so she’ll stay until it’s awarded. Setting aside her opinions (quite a big set aside!) I’ve always been quite positive about her. She’s made a lot of fairly limited abilities and is pretty resilient. She’s rather nearer to “authenticity” than many who crave that. |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 7, 2022 9:32:30 GMT
on paper it looks like less fertile than Chesham & Tiverton, maybe not all that different from N Shropshire though. Perhaps a slightly tougher ask. But then, the Tories are weaker in the polls, at the moment, than they were at the time of the N Shropshire by-election. Surely you mean Chesham & Amersham or Tiverton & Honiton. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 7, 2022 9:37:02 GMT
on paper it looks like less fertile than Chesham & Tiverton, maybe not all that different from N Shropshire though. Perhaps a slightly tougher ask. But then, the Tories are weaker in the polls, at the moment, than they were at the time of the N Shropshire by-election. Surely you mean Chesham & Amersham or Tiverton & Honiton. Does it not occur to you sometimes that it is so obvious to everyone else what somebody meant (and that they were employing a form of shorthand), that it doesn't need pointing out? |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 7, 2022 11:18:03 GMT
Surely you mean Chesham & Amersham or Tiverton & Honiton. Does it not occur to you sometimes that it is so obvious to everyone else what somebody meant (and that they were employing a form of shorthand), that it doesn't need pointing out? When he wrote “Chesham & Tiverton” he could not possibly have meant “Chesham & Amersham and Tiverton & Honiton” because everybody recognises that “and” is used to conjoin the names of two different constituencies, whereas “&” is used to conjoin the names of two different places within the same constituency. It may be that the Boundaries Commission will, some time in the future, create a constituency called “Chesham & Tiverton” and/or one called “Amersham & Honiton”, but meanwhile it is entirely reasonable for reasonable people to point out that there are some circumstances in which an ampersand has never been used by reasonable logical people. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 13:48:13 GMT
... I think this discussion might be evidence enough that a gun was jumped when I started the thread. AdminSTB in the absence of anything official could you look at locking this until a by-election is called? Apologies for my enthusiasm. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 7, 2022 14:16:03 GMT
... I think this discussion might be evidence enough that a gun was jumped when I started the thread. AdminSTB in the absence of anything official could you look at locking this until a by-election is called? Apologies for my enthusiasm. I can't see her sitting around on the backbenches, nor can I see Boris risking his Resignation Honours' List not being honoured. |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 7, 2022 15:28:34 GMT
... I think this discussion might be evidence enough that a gun was jumped when I started the thread. AdminSTB in the absence of anything official could you look at locking this until a by-election is called? Apologies for my enthusiasm. I can't see her sitting around on the backbenches, nor can I see Boris risking his Dissolution Honours List not being honoured. His Resignation Honours list has not been released yet. For future reference, Dissolution Honours are released after the end of a Parliament, not after the resignation of a sitting Prime Minister. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 7, 2022 15:33:53 GMT
I can't see her sitting around on the backbenches, nor can I see Boris risking his Dissolution Honours List not being honoured. His Resignation Honours list has not been released yet. For future reference, Dissolution Honours are released after the end of a Parliament, not after the resignation of a sitting Prime Minister. Sorry - miswrote and corrected. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 7, 2022 15:50:16 GMT
I can't see her sitting around on the backbenches, nor can I see Boris risking his Dissolution Honours List not being honoured. His Resignation Honours list has not been released yet. I also think we’re getting a bit excited here. Cameron’s was released on 4th August May’s was released on 10th September So as a minimum we’re 2-3 weeks away. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 7, 2022 16:15:58 GMT
His Resignation Honours list has not been released yet. For future reference, Dissolution Honours are released after the end of a Parliament, not after the resignation of a sitting Prime Minister. Sorry - miswrote and corrected. Now if you had written Dissolute Honours, you might have been onto something. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 7, 2022 16:25:56 GMT
Sorry - miswrote and corrected. Now if you had written Dissolute Honours, you might have been onto something. One for the "What are you drinking at the moment?" thead. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Sept 7, 2022 16:26:45 GMT
... I think this discussion might be evidence enough that a gun was jumped when I started the thread. AdminSTB in the absence of anything official could you look at locking this until a by-election is called? Apologies for my enthusiasm. I'll leave this thread open at least until Johnson's resignation honours have been gazetted, and then we'll see... |
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Post by batman on Sept 7, 2022 18:39:13 GMT
Does it not occur to you sometimes that it is so obvious to everyone else what somebody meant (and that they were employing a form of shorthand), that it doesn't need pointing out? When he wrote “Chesham & Tiverton” he could not possibly have meant “Chesham & Amersham and Tiverton & Honiton” because everybody recognises that “and” is used to conjoin the names of two different constituencies, whereas “&” is used to conjoin the names of two different places within the same constituency. It may be that the Boundaries Commission will, some time in the future, create a constituency called “Chesham & Tiverton” and/or one called “Amersham & Honiton”, but meanwhile it is entirely reasonable for reasonable people to point out that there are some circumstances in which an ampersand has never been used by reasonable logical people. I am a reasonable logical person and I don't agree re the ampersand. Or should I say the ampers&. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 7, 2022 23:00:23 GMT
Surely you mean Chesham & Amersham or Tiverton & Honiton. Does it not occur to you sometimes that it is so obvious to everyone else what somebody meant (and that they were employing a form of shorthand), that it doesn't need pointing out?No. |
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Post by rockefeller on Sept 10, 2022 4:49:25 GMT
This must've been Beds' most Remain seat. The Lib Dems could win around Ampthill which, although not as rich as Chesham or Amersham, has a lot of Conservatives who liked Cameron but were lukewarm about Boris. LD gain. Supposedly Mid Bedfordshire was only 53% Leave. |
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Post by samdwebber on Sept 19, 2022 1:35:01 GMT
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