Wakefield

[LDCaerdydd]

Writs are usually moved first thing are they not (i.e. 1430 today)? So there’s still time but I would have thought if he’s resigning today he might have done it already.

Does anyone know when the sentence is due? All I’ve read is ‘this week’

[YL]

[markgoodair]

The nonce hasn't resigned . Yet another broken Brextiter Tory promise.

[Deleted]

If only we had a 'dislike' button. It's more likely to keep things civil than the words I might type as an alternative.

[neilm]

Apr 20, 2022 9:24:25 GMT markgoodair said:

The nonce hasn't resigned . Yet another broken Brextiter Tory promise.

What's his position on Brexit got to do with it?

[The Bishop]

It won't be Balls, and more to the point it shouldn't be.

EDIT: to expand on this a bit, given the stakes in this byelection Labour should play it safe. A worthy local candidate really is best. Ed B shouldn't have that much trouble finding a seat at the next GE if he genuinely wants to return to front line politics.

[markgoodair]

Apr 20, 2022 10:29:33 GMT neilm said:

Apr 20, 2022 9:24:25 GMT markgoodair said:

The nonce hasn't resigned . Yet another broken Brextiter Tory promise.

What's his position on Brexit got to do with it?

His entire 2019 campaign was based on "getting Brexit done.".

[neilm]

Apr 20, 2022 11:32:59 GMT markgoodair said:

Apr 20, 2022 10:29:33 GMT neilm said:

What's his position on Brexit got to do with it?

His entire 2019 campaign was based on "getting Brexit done.".

So? Brexit got done. What's your point?

[stb12]

Considering Wakefield’s Leave vote get Brexit done was going to be the campaign of any Tory candidate

[iainbhx]

I don't think anyone except the nonce can be blamed for his failure to resign. I wonder if he's waiting to get paid at the end of the month first.

[edgbaston]

There are very real criticisms to be made of the Tory party here. They knew of the allocations against their candidate, dismissed them, and pushed on with his selection anyway.

So while I don’t agree with Mark G’s suggestion that the Tory party was in any way implicated in the actions of Khan then or now (as that of course would be to deflect from his own guilt), they do deserve to get a lot of grief and blame from people in Wakefield over this.

[gwynthegriff]

Apr 20, 2022 12:27:48 GMT @boogieeck said:

The ongoing description of Khan as a nonce by Lib Dem posters on this thread, for the offence of "He was accused of feeling a 15-year-old boy's legs and reaching for his groin." (wiki) is sitting awkwardly with me.

I have my reasons, and they are very Lib Demmy. They will not be discussed in open forum.

Actually he wasn't just accused, he was convicted.

But I agree that the use of nonce is getting rather tedious.

(It's a view that can be controversial but I do actually recognise there are scales of sexual offences and this was at the lower end of any scale.)

[No Offence Alan]

Apr 20, 2022 12:27:48 GMT @boogieeck said:

The ongoing description of Khan as a nonce by Lib Dem posters on this thread, for the offence of "He was accused of feeling a 15-year-old boy's legs and reaching for his groin." (wiki) is sitting awkwardly with me.

I have my reasons, and they are very Lib Demmy. They will not be discussed in open forum.

Would the words used by yourself to describe Derek Mackay be OK?

[markgoodair]

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/15/man-accuses-imran-ahmad-khan-of-propositioning-him-when-he-was-16?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[neilm]

(Referring to the Guardian article above)

I'm always interested in stories like this because of the apparent lack of action by the parents at the time. Were I this person's mother (or her partner in this case), I'd have knocked seven bells out of Khan. I find it especially odd that it didn't happen to him after the alleged incident in Pakistan.

[edgbaston]

Apr 20, 2022 13:34:49 GMT neilm said:

(Referring to the Guardian article above)

I'm always interested in stories like this because of the apparent lack of action by the parents at the time. Were I this person's mother (or her partner in this case), I'd have knocked seven bells out of Khan. I find it especially odd that it didn't happen to him after the alleged incident in Pakistan.

If it was this sort of party \/ and his parents were laissez-faire about their son being there

‘The event took place in marquees and tents in a field in Suffolk. Andrew says he first spotted Ahmad Khan sitting by a campfire looking “off his face”. He claims he asked Ahmad Khan if he was OK, and that Khan said his friends had given him “far too many pills”.’

Then that may well be why. Pure speculation of course.

[timmullen1]

Apr 20, 2022 13:34:49 GMT neilm said:

(Referring to the Guardian article above)

I'm always interested in stories like this because of the apparent lack of action by the parents at the time. Were I this person's mother (or her partner in this case), I'd have knocked seven bells out of Khan. I find it especially odd that it didn't happen to him after the alleged incident in Pakistan.

You may have resorted to violence, good luck with the assault charge, and clearly you have no qualms about embarrassing your son in public, when, by his own admission, he only felt “uncomfortable”; in this case three adults claim to have warned Ahmed Khan about his behaviour, but, unless there were witnesses not referred to in the article, it would have been “Andrews” word against Khan’s, so the police were probably more interested in the alleged drug abuse than anything else.

[iain]

Apr 20, 2022 10:42:18 GMT The Bishop said:

It won't be Balls, and more to the point it shouldn't be.

EDIT: to expand on this a bit, given the stakes in this byelection Labour should play it safe. A worthy local candidate really is best. Ed B shouldn't have that much trouble finding a seat at the next GE if he genuinely wants to return to front line politics.

[markgoodair]

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[markgoodair]

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Conservative 13/2
Liberal Democrats 20/1
Yorkshire Party 100/1