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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 12, 2022 15:32:11 GMT
Held today. With turnout now confirmed at 97.12%, the result is on a knife-edge.
Will Serdar Berdimuhamedow (son of incumbent President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow) win 90% of the vote, or will it be more like the 98% his dad used to get?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 2:24:40 GMT
Held today. With turnout now confirmed at 97.12%, the result is on a knife-edge. Will Serdar Berdimuhamedow (son of incumbent President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow) win 90% of the vote, or will it be more like the 98% his dad used to get? I don’t know why leaders who rig election results bother pretending turnout and vote share figures are so high. If you’re going to win regardless why not make it look slightly less laughable? |
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Post by carolus on Mar 13, 2022 8:58:54 GMT
Held today. With turnout now confirmed at 97.12%, the result is on a knife-edge. Will Serdar Berdimuhamedow (son of incumbent President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow) win 90% of the vote, or will it be more like the 98% his dad used to get? I don’t know why leaders who rig election results bother pretending turnout and vote share figures are so high. If you’re going to win regardless why not make it look slightly less laughable? Presumably it is at least in part about the statement it makes - that there is no point in opposition because it is not possible to win, there is no alternative and for all you know no-one else thinks as you do. If I fake the result as something "believable", say 60-40, then it signals to everyone that I *could* be beaten, that there is a large bloc of people opposed to me, and everyone knows everyone knows, and presumably also creates potential rivals from whoever "lost". |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 13, 2022 10:07:37 GMT
Yes, the "unbelievable" nature of the result is the point. Though it becomes risky with a populace who isn't totally cowed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 10:48:55 GMT
I just think it becomes a thing of ridicule if it it’s done like that, and to my mind ridicule is one of the worst things a dictatorship can be exposed to.
With that in mind you’ll be happy to hear that when I become Supreme Ruler my fixed election results will always be 75 / 25.
It might make election night less exciting, but I’ll distribute free ‘day rover’ tickets for the rail network as compensation.
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Post by johnloony on Mar 13, 2022 11:15:43 GMT
When I became Dictator of the World, I won’t need to rig elections because everybody will spontaneously enthusiastically want to vote for me anyway. There will be turnouts of 100% and I will get 100% of the votes.
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Post by grahammurray on Mar 13, 2022 11:20:49 GMT
When I became Dictator of the World, I won’t need to rig elections because everybody will spontaneously enthusiastically want to vote for me anyway. There will be turnouts of 100% and I will get 100% of the votes. No you won't. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 13, 2022 14:37:35 GMT
When I became Dictator of the World, I won’t need to rig elections because everybody will spontaneously enthusiastically want to vote for me anyway. There will be turnouts of 100% and I will get 100% of the votes. No you won't. He will - he'll be the only one allowed to vote with everybody else disqualified on the grounds of insanity for disagreeing with him 😉 |
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Post by grahammurray on Mar 13, 2022 14:48:11 GMT
He will - he'll be the only one allowed to vote with everybody else disqualified on the grounds of insanity for disagreeing with him 😉 Do you think he has the nous to find his own name even on a ballot paper of one? |
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Post by neilm on Mar 13, 2022 14:59:13 GMT
He will - he'll be the only one allowed to vote with everybody else disqualified on the grounds of insanity for disagreeing with him 😉 Do you think he has the nous to find his own name even on a ballot paper of one? That seems a tad unpleasant. |
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Post by neilm on Mar 13, 2022 15:00:11 GMT
There was, I think, a radio documentary about why dictators rig votes in such an obvious that Davıd Boothroyd posted a link to some time ago. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 17, 2022 13:22:04 GMT
In the event the "official" winning percentage was a relatively modest 73%. Which is in itself intriguing.
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Post by rcronald on Mar 17, 2022 19:04:53 GMT
Can someone explain to me why some counties that never claimed to be a democracy (AKA China,NK,Belarus and many more) even hold (sham) elections?
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 17, 2022 19:59:27 GMT
Can someone explain to me why some counties that never claimed to be a democracy (AKA China,NK,Belarus and many more) even hold (sham) elections? I think calling your country The Democratic People's Republic of Korea counts as claiming to be a democracy, and the last time I checked China didn't hold any kind of elections (unless you count internal Communist Party elections).
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 17, 2022 20:18:31 GMT
Can someone explain to me why some counties that never claimed to be a democracy (AKA China,NK,Belarus and many more) even hold (sham) elections? I think calling your country The Democratic People's Republic of Korea counts as claiming to be a democracy, and the last time I checked China didn't hold any kind of elections (unless you count internal Communist Party elections).
They hold weird quasi-local elections on a village level. They also call their system the "People's Democratic Dictatorship". Which is in direct opposition to liberal democracy, which they call the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, as opposed to the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat which they claim to officially strive for. |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 17, 2022 20:26:15 GMT
I think calling your country The Democratic People's Republic of Korea counts as claiming to be a democracy, and the last time I checked China didn't hold any kind of elections (unless you count internal Communist Party elections).
They hold weird quasi-local elections on a village level. They also call their system the "People's Democratic Dictatorship". Which is in direct opposition to liberal democracy, which they call the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, as opposed to the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat which they claim to officially strive for. Interesting, I was entirely unaware of those (as are many urban Chinese people). |
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Post by froome on Mar 17, 2022 21:58:26 GMT
When I became Dictator of the World, I won’t need to rig elections because everybody will spontaneously enthusiastically want to vote for me anyway. There will be turnouts of 100% and I will get 100% of the votes. No, I would vote for the Catastrophically Deranged and Insane Alien Hippopotamus party.  |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 18, 2022 4:54:32 GMT
When I became Dictator of the World, I won’t need to rig elections because everybody will spontaneously enthusiastically want to vote for me anyway. There will be turnouts of 100% and I will get 100% of the votes. No, I would vote for the Catastrophically Deranged and Insane Alien Hippopotamus party. No you wouldn't. Under my benign and enlightened leadership, the economy will flourish and everyone will have plenty of plenty. Culture and enlightenment will flourish. Everybody will have a happy life with enlightenment and cultural enrichment. In this harmonious society, a new way of thinking will spontaneously be achieved in which everybody will realise the benefits of voting for me. You may indeed want to campaign and organise for the CDIAHP, but - when it comes to the crunch, and your pen is hovering over the ballot paper in the privacy of the ballot box and away from the malevolent influences of your fellow hippopotami, you will immediately and spontaneously realise your errors and vote for me because it is in your best interests to do so. In this way, a diverse tolerant thriving multi-cultural diversity of a plethora of political parties will flourish and have candidates, but all of them will vote for me in the end. It won't even be necessary to ban or disqualify anybody, because total unanimity and harmony will be spontaneous. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 18, 2022 7:03:11 GMT
No, I would vote for the Catastrophically Deranged and Insane Alien Hippopotamus party.  No you wouldn't. Under my benign and enlightened leadership, the economy will flourish and everyone will have plenty of plenty. Culture and enlightenment will flourish. Everybody will have a happy life with enlightenment and cultural enrichment. In this harmonious society, a new way of thinking will spontaneously be achieved in which everybody will realise the benefits of voting for me. You may indeed want to campaign and organise for the CDIAHP, but - when it comes to the crunch, and your pen is hovering over the ballot paper in the privacy of the ballot box and away from the malevolent influences of your fellow hippopotami, you will immediately and spontaneously realise your errors and vote for me because it is in your best interests to do so. In this way, a diverse tolerant thriving multi-cultural diversity of a plethora of political parties will flourish and have candidates, but all of them will vote for me in the end. It won't even be necessary to ban or disqualify anybody, because total unanimity and harmony will be spontaneous. No offence, but your concept of a thriving multi-party democracy with all the candidates supporting you sounds vaguely like Pre-2012 Putin's concept of a thriving multi-party democracy.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 27, 2022 19:31:25 GMT
I think calling your country The Democratic People's Republic of Korea counts as claiming to be a democracy, and the last time I checked China didn't hold any kind of elections (unless you count internal Communist Party elections).
They hold weird quasi-local elections on a village level. They also call their system the "People's Democratic Dictatorship". Which is in direct opposition to liberal democracy, which they call the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, as opposed to the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat which they claim to officially strive for. Sounds like Knowsley. |
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