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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 5, 2022 7:49:11 GMT
vote-2012.proboards.com/post/1214438www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/adhocs/14354ct210001Figures have been released for UK resident population born in various former Soviet republics (plus Poland). Although total population for local authorities are not included, it is possible to calculate these as a proportion of the 2011 population. There are nearly 400,000 in total born in the former USSR with greatest number by far being from Lithuania (156k) followed by Latvia (83k) and Russia itself (53k) being only slightly higher than the number of Moldovans (52k). There were 37.5k born in Ukraine and relatively tiny numbers born in Estonia (9.5k) and Belarus (6k). There were 700,000 Polish born people living in England & Wales representing 1.25% of the (2011) population. The % born in the former Soviet republics included in this data is 0.7% The top 10 authorities (%) for each group | Lithuania | | | | | | Boston | 5.76% | | Peterborough | 4.13% | | Fenland | 3.62% | | Barking and Dagenham | 2.75% | | South Holland | 2.65% | | King's Lynn and West Norfolk | 2.05% | | Newham | 1.96% | | Thurrock | 1.88% | | Great Yarmouth | 1.57% | | Ipswich | 1.32% |
| Latvia | | | | | | Boston | 3.17% | | Peterborough | 1.61% | | South Holland | 1.47% | | Fenland | 1.12% | | East Staffordshire | 0.99% | | Mansfield | 0.94% | | Lincoln | 0.91% | | Rugby | 0.74% | | Derby | 0.70% | | King's Lynn and West Norfolk | 0.70% |
| Russia | | | | | | City of London | 1.36% | | Westminster | 1.03% | | Kensington and Chelsea | 1.02% | | Camden | 0.68% | | Tower Hamlets | 0.64% | | Hammersmith and Fulham | 0.53% | | Cambridge | 0.52% | | Richmond upon Thames | 0.47% | | Kingston upon Thames | 0.39% | | Islington | 0.39% |
| Moldova | | | | | | West Northamptonshire | 1.62% | | Redbridge | 1.42% | | Newham | 1.22% | | Barking and Dagenham | 1.17% | | Havering | 0.73% | | Waltham Forest | 0.68% | | Hounslow | 0.50% | | North Northamptonshire | 0.49% | | Thurrock | 0.48% | | Rugby | 0.39% |
| Ukraine | | | | | | City of London | 0.54% | | Hounslow | 0.44% | | Newham | 0.44% | | Waltham Forest | 0.41% | | Greenwich | 0.37% | | Ealing | 0.34% | | Merton | 0.33% | | Westminster | 0.31% | | Tower Hamlets | 0.31% | | Redbridge | 0.29% |
| Estonia | | | | | | Hammersmith and Fulham | 0.07% | | Tower Hamlets | 0.07% | | Cambridge | 0.06% | | Lincoln | 0.06% | | Kensington and Chelsea | 0.06% | | Greenwich | 0.06% | | Southampton | 0.05% | | Westminster | 0.05% | | Southwark | 0.05% | | Lewisham | 0.05% |
| Belarus | | | | | | Westminster | 0.06% | | Tower Hamlets | 0.06% | | Kensington and Chelsea | 0.06% | | Camden | 0.05% | | Hammersmith and Fulham | 0.05% | | Cambridge | 0.05% | | Boston | 0.05% | | Greenwich | 0.04% | | Barnet | 0.04% | | Islington | 0.04% |
| Total ex USSR | | | | | | Boston | 9.39% | | Peterborough | 6.14% | | Fenland | 5.02% | | Barking and Dagenham | 4.67% | | South Holland | 4.33% | | Newham | 4.26% | | King's Lynn and West Norfolk | 3.13% | | Redbridge | 3.10% | | West Northamptonshire | 3.10% | | Thurrock | 2.79% |
A fairly unsurprising pattern with a contrast between largely wealthy Russians, Belarussians (and to an extent Ukrainians) concentrated in London, with those from the Baltic republics being predominantly in the cabbage fields of the Fens The figures for Poles show a similarly predictable pattern with the traditional haunts to the West of London combining with the agricultural areas | Poland | | | | | | Slough | 5.97% | | Boston | 5.62% | | Ealing | 5.29% | | Southampton | 4.74% | | Peterborough | 4.39% | | South Holland | 4.18% | | Hounslow | 4.14% | | Luton | 3.99% | | Redditch | 3.68% | | Rugby | 3.60% |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 5, 2022 7:56:02 GMT
Born in the former USSR  (Except for Lithuanians, the numbers for the individual groups are too small to be worth representing on individual maps) Born in Poland  Peterborough should be renamed Petrograd |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Mar 5, 2022 11:08:30 GMT
There were 700,000 Polish born people living in England & Wales representing 1.25% of the (2011) population. The % born in the former Soviet republics included in this data is 0.7 And we wonder why we never win Eurovision I say? |
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Post by WJ on Mar 6, 2022 9:13:14 GMT
The difference between Latvia/Lithuania and Estonia is striking.
Feeds into (their preferred) narrative that Estonians are really Nordics, not Eastern Europeans.
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Post by David Ashforth on Mar 8, 2022 9:53:04 GMT
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Post by clyde1998 on Mar 8, 2022 11:28:05 GMT
Interesting the Ukrainian population just falls of a cliff once you leave London's borders - anyone with ideas as to why that might be? |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 8, 2022 11:49:06 GMT
Interesting the Ukrainian population just falls of a cliff once you leave London's borders - anyone with ideas as to why that might be? Although there are/used to be quite large Ukranian descended populations in places like Bradford where my mate Nick comes from, his dad having been sent there after WWII. |
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Post by therealriga on Mar 8, 2022 14:42:51 GMT
The difference between Latvia/Lithuania and Estonia is striking. Feeds into (their preferred) narrative that Estonians are really Nordics, not Eastern Europeans. Yeah, it's easy to see why. Estonian and Finnish are not a million miles away from each other so it's simple enough for a speaker of one to learn the other. As a result of that and geographical proximity, Finland has been the preferred immigration destination for Estonians. There are about 75,000-90,000 of them there in contrast to 3,300 Latvians and around the same number of Lithuanians. For the latter 2 groups, English is one of the best known languages so UK and Ireland were more obvious places to move to. |
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Post by WJ on Mar 8, 2022 14:59:05 GMT
The difference between Latvia/Lithuania and Estonia is striking. Feeds into (their preferred) narrative that Estonians are really Nordics, not Eastern Europeans. Yeah, it's easy to see why. Estonian and Finnish are not a million miles away from each other so it's simple enough for a speaker of one to learn the other. As a result of that and geographical proximity, Finland has been the preferred immigration destination for Estonians. There are about 75,000-90,000 of them there in contrast to 3,300 Latvians and around the same number of Lithuanians. For the latter 2 groups, English is one of the best known languages so UK and Ireland were more obvious places to move to. I was thinking more about the locations where Estonians are vs Latvians and Lithuanians, rather than the absolute numbers. It's clear that the Estonian immigrants are more on the "high-skills" end of the spectrum compared to more agricultural workers for the Balts. There's a series of funny cartoons somewhere lampooning the Estonian wish to be seen as Nordic. IIRC there's also a semi-serious campaign to convert the flag from 3 horizontal stripes to a Nordic cross pattern. |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 8, 2022 16:32:20 GMT
Yeah, it's easy to see why. Estonian and Finnish are not a million miles away from each other so it's simple enough for a speaker of one to learn the other. As a result of that and geographical proximity, Finland has been the preferred immigration destination for Estonians. There are about 75,000-90,000 of them there in contrast to 3,300 Latvians and around the same number of Lithuanians. For the latter 2 groups, English is one of the best known languages so UK and Ireland were more obvious places to move to. I was thinking more about the locations where Estonians are vs Latvians and Lithuanians, rather than the absolute numbers. It's clear that the Estonian immigrants are more on the "high-skills" end of the spectrum compared to more agricultural workers for the Balts. The two are obviously connected, though. The higher up country A is on the list of preferred immigration destinations from country B, the lower skilled the average immigrant from country B to country A will be. |
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Post by froome on Mar 8, 2022 20:22:50 GMT
Does anyone know why the Moldovan population is most commonly found in Northamptonshire? Was there an established population already there? Are they mainly in Northampton?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 22:20:14 GMT
West Northants also had a very high raw number of Latvians, although a lower percentage of the total population
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 9, 2022 7:32:34 GMT
Does anyone know why the Moldovan population is most commonly found in Northamptonshire? Was there an established population already there? Are they mainly in Northampton? I think mostly in Northampton yes. I remember seeing some figures a year or two back on the old districts and Northampton had exceptionally high figures for all kinds of East Europeans (eg Romanians, which would presumably act as a draw for Moldovans as well). I don't know why they have particularly flocked to Northampton though.. |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 9, 2022 9:31:01 GMT
Peterborough should be renamed Petrograd I was in the main bus station in Tallinn once and saw a coach with "Peterburi" written on the destination board. It took me a moment to realise it wasn't going to Peterborough. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Mar 9, 2022 12:47:04 GMT
Does anyone know why the Moldovan population is most commonly found in Northamptonshire? Was there an established population already there? Are they mainly in Northampton? I think mostly in Northampton yes. I remember seeing some figures a year or two back on the old districts and Northampton had exceptionally high figures for all kinds of East Europeans (eg Romanians, which would presumably act as a draw for Moldovans as well). I don't know why they have particularly flocked to Northampton though.. They knew there was energy in Northampton. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 15:36:17 GMT
For the size of their population (just under 3 million), 156,000 Lithuanians living in the UK is a huge number. 5% equivalent I think!
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