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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 5:29:34 GMT
What if George Wallace won more states, deadlocking the Electoral College and throwing the election to Congress?
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Post by swanarcadian on Feb 23, 2022 18:06:20 GMT
The House of Representatives was controlled by the Democrats, as it was for decades until 1994. They’d have gone for Hubert Humphrey, of course.
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 23, 2022 18:12:57 GMT
The House of Representatives was controlled by the Democrats, as it was for decades until 1994. They’d have gone for Hubert Humphrey, of course. Did they control a majority of state delegations, as well as the House itself? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 23, 2022 18:26:32 GMT
And would the Southern Democrats have been reliable given Humphrey's history?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 5:14:38 GMT
Would state delegations from Wallace states in the South vote for Humphrey?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 24, 2022 12:07:20 GMT
The House of Representatives was controlled by the Democrats, as it was for decades until 1994. They’d have gone for Hubert Humphrey, of course. Did they control a majority of state delegations, as well as the House itself? Yes, easily. For the 1967-1969 Congress, the Democrats had a majority in 30 state delegations: State D R AK 1 0 AL 5 3 AR 3 1 CA 21 18 CO 3 1 CT 5 1 FL 9 3 GA 8 2 HI 2 0 KY 4 3 LA 8 0 MA 7 5 MD 6 2 ME 2 0 MO 8 2 MS 6 0 NC 8 3 NJ 9 6 NM 2 0 NV 1 0 NY 27 15 OK 4 2 PA 15 13 RI 3 0 SC 5 1 TN 5 4 TX 21 3 VA 6 4 WA 5 2 WV 4 1 The GOP had just 17: State D R AZ 1 2 DE 0 1 IA 2 5 ID 0 2 IN 5 6 KS 0 5 MI 7 12 MN 3 5 ND 0 2 NE 0 3 NH 0 2 OH 5 19 SD 0 2 UT 0 2 VT 0 1 WI 3 7 WY 0 1 Three were divided: State D R IL 12 12 MT 1 1 OR 2 2 |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 24, 2022 14:30:24 GMT
But many southern Democrats were very Conservative and may well have supported Nixon. I would have doubts that Humphrey could have carried Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina or Tennessee if the election had gone to the House of Representatives.
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Post by clash on Feb 24, 2022 19:30:47 GMT
Happy to be corrected, but didn't the 20th Amendment mean it is the new House that decides not the old.
My glance at Wikipedia gives 26 D House delegations, 19 R, 5 split (IL OR MD MT VA). Of which 10 of the 26 are in the Confederacy.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 24, 2022 21:23:13 GMT
But many southern Democrats were very Conservative and may well have supported Nixon. I would have doubts that Humphrey could have carried Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina or Tennessee if the election had gone to the House of Representatives. There was also the Senate where the new numbers were 57 Democrat 43 Republican so only 8 Democrats would need to defect to give the Veep to Agnew instead of Muskie and there were significantly more than 8 Southern Democrats. |
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Post by markgoodair on Feb 24, 2022 21:25:29 GMT
But many southern Democrats were very Conservative and may well have supported Nixon. I would have doubts that Humphrey could have carried Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina or Tennessee if the election had gone to the House of Representatives. There was also the Senate where the new numbers were 57 Democrat 43 Republican so only 8 Democrats would need to defect to give the Veep to Agnew instead of Muskie and there were significantly more than 8 Southern Democrats. The Senate doesn't get a vote . |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 24, 2022 21:27:16 GMT
There was also the Senate where the new numbers were 57 Democrat 43 Republican so only 8 Democrats would need to defect to give the Veep to Agnew instead of Muskie and there were significantly more than 8 Southern Democrats. The Senate doesn't get a vote . Yes it does. If no candidate for Vice President has a majority of the College the top two candidates are voted on by the Senate. The House only gets to vote on the President not the whole ticket. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 21:36:44 GMT
Here's a possible map of that scenario www.yapms.com/app/?m=elpi Nixon 256 Electoral Votes Humphrey 191 Electoral Votes Wallace 91 Electoral Votes Wallace flips Florida, the Carolinas, and Tennessee compared to our timeline. |
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Post by greenhert on Feb 24, 2022 23:53:55 GMT
If an electoral college deadlock had still happened, it is likely that Richard Nixon would have been elected anyway, given that this was a realignment election and that therefore the states that would have voted for George Wallace would have ended up backing Richard Nixon even though their House delegations were majority Democratic. (The only "southern" state with a majority Republican delegation at the time was Delaware)
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