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Post by iainbhx on Nov 5, 2021 13:23:19 GMT
Given the circumstances of this by-election, this does feel like a by-election where the Conservatives should select a dull but worthy local councillor rather than someone from far outside the patch. Are there any obvious candidates? They've got a big enough bench to choose from in North Shropshire. |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 5, 2021 13:25:15 GMT
Emma Grundy. Well-liked local parish councillor. Local ? Did you not know Ambridge has relocated to North Shropshire for obscure Covid-related reasons? |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 5, 2021 13:32:51 GMT
Given the circumstances of this by-election, this does feel like a by-election where the Conservatives should select a dull but worthy local councillor rather than someone from far outside the patch. Are there any obvious candidates? Alternatively, in the spirit of this thread I suggest Katya Banks.. |
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Post by dundas on Nov 5, 2021 13:44:07 GMT
And in further good news for the LDs, I believe Lembit Opik is available. Not sure he's much of a Lib Dem these days. He was last spotted on GB News. As was Vince Cable. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Nov 5, 2021 14:09:21 GMT
Emma Grundy. Well-liked local parish councillor. Local ? Well-liked ? |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Nov 5, 2021 14:57:52 GMT
Was still before my time in being interested in politics so I only found out recently that Martin Bell tried to unseat Eric Pickles in Brentwood and Ongar in 2001 after he’d pledged to only serve one term in Tatton. That was because the local Conservative party had apparently been infiltrated by a religious group, rather than sleaze issues or anything about Pickles himself Unlike Tatton the other parties didn’t stand aside and he obviously never got elected but did only miss out by under 3000 votes. That might have been due to Bell’s celebrity status by that time as much as anything else? Bell was standing essentially as the rebel Conservative candidate, although he obviously tried to reach across the aisle and downplayed his supporters origins (both Labour and Lib Dems haemorrhaged support compared to 1997). I got the impression that the rebel Tories did have local areas of strength as some of them had been quite active in the Association. Didn't the Lib Dems offer to adopt Bell for the seat or for another seat, or is my memory faulty here? However I remember the Bell vs Hamilton fight sucking the oxygen out of the first fortnight of the Tory campaign in 1997, while the Brentwood fight was a damp squib nationally. I was genuinely surprised when I looked it up today at how close he had come.
He lost a bit of credibility by standing, given his previous statements, and would've lost even more had he won. He was noticeably sheepish in interviews and quite possibly relieved that he didn't win.
In 2001 the 'independent with a noble cause' narrative shifted quite spectacularly to Wyre Forest.
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Post by stb12 on Nov 5, 2021 15:13:20 GMT
Can you be "less retired"? Does that mean you go into work for part of the week? I am less retired than I was because extra responsibilities have emerged. I hope to be more retired in a few months time. Maybe I can be completely retired by the end of 2022. But I think the Hon Member who first referred to "less retired" actually meant "fewer" . . . Can I take less retirement at 29? |
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Post by samdwebber on Nov 5, 2021 16:01:37 GMT
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Nov 5, 2021 16:37:45 GMT
Has parliament ever refused an MPs resignation?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 5, 2021 16:38:27 GMT
I was under the impression that Conservative MP's became the Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds and Labour / Opposition MP's became the Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, is that not actually the case? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 16:41:59 GMT
I was under the impression that Conservative MP's became the Steward of the Chiltern Hundreds and Labour / Opposition MP's became the Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, is that not actually the case? Generally speaking, they alternate between the two so the next resigning MP should be given Chiltern Hundreds |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 5, 2021 17:31:14 GMT
Has parliament ever refused an MPs resignation? No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 5, 2021 17:45:25 GMT
Has parliament ever refused an MPs resignation? No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. Na, this is more fun. We should add more like the Reeve of the Wapentake of Ainsty, or the Justiciar of the Cottesloe Hundred. |
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Post by YL on Nov 5, 2021 17:47:59 GMT
Has parliament ever refused an MPs resignation? No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. It is the Chancellor of the Exchequer who makes the appointment, so it would be them who could in principle block resignation taking Northstead or the Chiltern Hundreds, not Parliament. According to Wikipedia, "The Chancellor may in theory deny an application, although the last time this happened was to Viscount Chelsea in 1842". Of course there was a bit of a fuss a few years ago when Gerry Adams tried to resign without taking an office of profit but George Osborne appointed him to Northstead. (And then the same happened with Martin McGuinness a couple of years later.) |
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Post by YL on Nov 5, 2021 17:49:19 GMT
No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. Na, this is more fun. We should add more like the Reeve of the Wapentake of Ainsty, or the Justiciar of the Cottesloe Hundred. That would have made life a bit simpler on 17 December 1985. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 5, 2021 17:49:45 GMT
No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. Na, this is more fun. We should add more like the Reeve of the Wapentake of Ainsty, or the Justiciar of the Cottesloe Hundred. I have thought of suggesting to my Chairman that the Parish Council should require members who wish to resign to be appointed as Mountebank and Steward of the Moss of Cracow but I fear he might agree. |
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Post by peterl on Nov 5, 2021 17:49:48 GMT
Has parliament ever refused an MPs resignation? Its not for Parliament to refuse, its technically in the Chancellor's discretion. Which does theoretically mean the government could block a resignation if they felt they might lose the by election. "Thank you for your application for the post of Steward and Balliff of the Three Chiltern Hundreds. We have had many applications for this position and unfortunatly your application has been unsuccessful on this occasion." Can't see it happening, but that would technically be legal. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 5, 2021 18:03:18 GMT
No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. Na, this is more fun. We should add more like the Reeve of the Wapentake of Ainsty, or the Justiciar of the Cottesloe Hundred. Witchsmeller Pursuivant. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 5, 2021 18:12:50 GMT
Has parliament ever refused an MPs resignation? No, because they do not resign. They are, in effect, disqualified by taking an office of profit. Of course, we could inch Parliament into the 20th Century by simply permitting them to resign. It’s a quirk but hardly makes any real difference does it? |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 5, 2021 18:16:53 GMT
Na, this is more fun. We should add more like the Reeve of the Wapentake of Ainsty, or the Justiciar of the Cottesloe Hundred. Witchsmeller Pursuivant. surely should be combined with the Police Commissioner post? |
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