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Post by southernliberal on Nov 5, 2021 10:03:14 GMT
While I'd guess she's no Tory is there any reason to suppose that she wants to waste her time and potentially harm her reputation and appeal as a business angel? She's actually a Lib Dem member. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 10:18:04 GMT
Marcus Rashford? Gina Miller?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 5, 2021 10:20:35 GMT
The most obvious candidate might have been Jackie Weaver, of Cheshire Association of Local Councils fame, who lives in the constituency. But she has already ruled herself out (and is also rigorously non-partisan).
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Post by stb12 on Nov 5, 2021 10:29:10 GMT
Was still before my time in being interested in politics so I only found out recently that Martin Bell tried to unseat Eric Pickles in Brentwood and Ongar in 2001 after he’d pledged to only serve one term in Tatton. That was because the local Conservative party had apparently been infiltrated by a religious group, rather than sleaze issues or anything about Pickles himself
Unlike Tatton the other parties didn’t stand aside and he obviously never got elected but did only miss out by under 3000 votes. That might have been due to Bell’s celebrity status by that time as much as anything else?
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Post by ilerda on Nov 5, 2021 10:44:48 GMT
Marcus Rashford? Gina Miller?
Oh ! Yes please. Either of them would cement the result for us solidly. It's amusing that the left's definition of anti-Tory and anti-sleaze actually translates to mean fanatically pro-European. They might stand a chance if they weren't so blatantly trying to use this opportunity to carry on the Brexit guerilla war. |
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Post by WJ on Nov 5, 2021 10:50:40 GMT
Anyone know what the current status of The Shropshire Party is? This was the only seat in the country they stood a candidate in in 2019, although that candidate, who also seemed to be the party leader and treasurer, then became the Lib Dems candidate for the Ruyton and Baschurch ward in May.
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Post by froome on Nov 5, 2021 11:02:49 GMT
Anyone know what the current status of The Shropshire Party is? This was the only seat in the country they stood a candidate in in 2019, although that candidate, who also seemed to be the party leader and treasurer, then became the Lib Dems candidate for the Ruyton and Baschurch ward in May. I think you have probably answered your own question.  |
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Post by right on Nov 5, 2021 11:06:25 GMT
Was still before my time in being interested in politics so I only found out recently that Martin Bell tried to unseat Eric Pickles in Brentwood and Ongar in 2001 after he’d pledged to only serve one term in Tatton. That was because the local Conservative party had apparently been infiltrated by a religious group, rather than sleaze issues or anything about Pickles himself Unlike Tatton the other parties didn’t stand aside and he obviously never got elected but did only miss out by under 3000 votes. That might have been due to Bell’s celebrity status by that time as much as anything else? Bell was standing essentially as the rebel Conservative candidate, although he obviously tried to reach across the aisle and downplayed his supporters origins (both Labour and Lib Dems haemorrhaged support compared to 1997). I got the impression that the rebel Tories did have local areas of strength as some of them had been quite active in the Association. Didn't the Lib Dems offer to adopt Bell for the seat or for another seat, or is my memory faulty here? However I remember the Bell vs Hamilton fight sucking the oxygen out of the first fortnight of the Tory campaign in 1997, while the Brentwood fight was a damp squib nationally. I was genuinely surprised when I looked it up today at how close he had come. |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 5, 2021 11:31:16 GMT
Oh ! Yes please. Either of them would cement the result for us solidly. It's amusing that the left's definition of anti-Tory and anti-sleaze actually translates to mean fanatically pro-European. They might stand a chance if they weren't so blatantly trying to use this opportunity to carry on the Brexit guerilla war. This from a supporter of a government that has packed the Cabinet with hapless talentless lobby fodder just because they happen to be Brexiteers? (exception Hancock who was an equally useless Remainer) |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 5, 2021 11:47:53 GMT
If the Lib Dems stand, I'll vote for their candidate. If the opposition parties go for a unified candidate, I'm voting for the Tory. Looks like you're voting Lib Dem then, as there won't be a unified candidate.
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Post by cogload on Nov 5, 2021 11:49:11 GMT
I could see a single anti sleaze candidate working post a recall where Paterson had been reselected.
Not now as his resignation gives the local Tories a clean slate.
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Post by right on Nov 5, 2021 11:54:41 GMT
Oh ! Yes please. Either of them would cement the result for us solidly. It's amusing that the left's definition of anti-Tory and anti-sleaze actually translates to mean fanatically pro-European. They might stand a chance if they weren't so blatantly trying to use this opportunity to carry on the Brexit guerilla war. Although Bell was a lapsed Liberal member who worked for the BBC, he came across as a natural Tory who was pained at what had happened to the Conservative Party. Meaden could probably do this if the internet didn't exist, but none of the other names put forward really could do this. Social media has probably meant that there are a lot fewer lefties you thought were Tories than there were 25 years ago. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 5, 2021 12:16:26 GMT
It's amusing that the left's definition of anti-Tory and anti-sleaze actually translates to mean fanatically pro-European. They might stand a chance if they weren't so blatantly trying to use this opportunity to carry on the Brexit guerilla war. Although Bell was a lapsed Liberal member who worked for the BBC, he came across as a natural Tory who was pained at what had happened to the Conservative Party. Meaden could probably do this if the internet didn't exist, but none of the other names put forward really could do this. Social media has probably meant that there are a lot fewer lefties you thought were Tories than there were 25 years ago. He didn’t come across as a natural Tory to me, he appeared as an honest and honourable character with a distinguished career in broadcasting, in complete contrast to the couple he was running against and of whom the country was totally sick of. |
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Post by cogload on Nov 5, 2021 12:32:15 GMT
John Sweeney's book on Tatton and Bell is a good read albeit somewhat slanted.
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Post by stb12 on Nov 5, 2021 12:46:24 GMT
Watched old YouTube videos about the Tatton 1997 contest quite recently, it doesn’t sound like Bell would have continued standing if Hamilton hadn’t been re-selected
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 5, 2021 12:46:54 GMT
That's nearly as good as my Lembit suggestion. Tony Blair?
Emma Grundy. Well-liked local parish councillor. Local ? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 5, 2021 12:51:30 GMT
There are less retired people for a start. Can you be "less retired"? Does that mean you go into work for part of the week? I am less retired than I was because extra responsibilities have emerged. I hope to be more retired in a few months time. Maybe I can be completely retired by the end of 2022. But I think the Hon Member who first referred to "less retired" actually meant "fewer" . . . |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 5, 2021 13:10:42 GMT
I could see a single anti sleaze candidate working post a recall where Paterson had been reselected. Not now as his resignation gives the local Tories a clean slate. Yes - all the Tory candidate would then need to do is distance themselves from OP, and they are home and hosed. Paradoxically perhaps, a more "normal" byelection where voters focus their discontent on the government more generally might provide the best (though still slim) chance of an upset. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Nov 5, 2021 13:17:32 GMT
Given the circumstances of this by-election, this does feel like a by-election where the Conservatives should select a dull but worthy local councillor rather than someone from far outside the patch. Are there any obvious candidates?
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 5, 2021 13:22:59 GMT
I could see a single anti sleaze candidate working post a recall where Paterson had been reselected. Not now as his resignation gives the local Tories a clean slate. Yes - all the Tory candidate would then need to do is distance themselves from OP, and they are home and hosed. Paradoxically perhaps, a more "normal" byelection where voters focus their discontent on the government more generally might provide the best (though still slim) chance of an upset. I think the cause of this by-election does give opposition Parties a chance to list the many people associated with this government who should have resigned or been sacked on the spot, but soldiered on to be either shuffled out much later, or sacked for a lesser but more personal offence (such as upsetting the PM's wife) |
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