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Post by relique on Sept 19, 2021 22:57:57 GMT
Well, counting is underway.
Honestly, I don't think rigging the votes is on the agenda when only 'good people' is allowed to be candidate (and the head of State is that popular, even in independent polling).
Exit polls:
United Russia: 45,2% (-9)
Communist Party: 21% (+7,7)
Liberal Democratic Party of Russia: 8,7% (-4,4)
A Just Russia - For Truth: 7,9% (+1,7)
New People: 4,7% (new)
Russian Party of Pensioners for Social Justice: 3,6% (+1,9)
Communists of Russia: 1,9% (-0,4)
Yabloko: 1,6% (-0,4)
Others are expected at less than 1%.
With 21% of the votes in:
United Russia: 43,4%
Communist Party: 22,8%
Liberal Democrat Party: 8,7%
A Just Russia: 7,2%
New People: 6,8%
Russian Party of Pensioners for Social Justice: 2,9%
Communists of Russia: 1,5%
Yabloko: 0,85%
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Post by johng on Sept 19, 2021 23:03:29 GMT
Yes, a bit sceptical about this. Some predicted it after the dissolution of the USSR but Russia stayed in one piece fairly comfortably despite all the traumas. It stayed together through brute force. If Chechnya had managed to get its proper independence, the rest of the Circassian and other Muslim states would've went. Then the Tartars. You've also got to bear in mind all the Chinese immigration into Siberia. Do you think the CCP would let the opportunity to grab resource rich regions in Siberia go to waste were Russian central authority to collapse? Furthermore, we've got to bear in mind that, despite everything, there was genuine optimism after the collapse of the CPSU. It seems to me that contemporary Russia is hollowed out and nihilistic. I think the torrid time of the 90s would have sucked optimism out of any ordinary person. There was a lot of discontent with the Soviet system, but even today there are a fairly significant number of Russians who'd like to turn back the clock.
China annexing Siberia is out of the realms of fantasy as well. China's power is exercised through vassal states and economic means even in its own backyard. That's not to say they wouldn't get involved in internal politics which they have little issue with, but a military intervention is a complete non-starter.
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Post by johng on Sept 19, 2021 23:13:47 GMT
Well, counting is underway. Honestly, I don't think rigging the votes is on the agenda when only 'good people' is allowed to be candidate (and the head of State is that popular, even in independent polling). Exit polls: United Russia: 45,2% (-9) Communist Party: 21% (+7,7) Liberal Democratic Party of Russia: 8,7% (-4,4) A Just Russia - For Truth: 7,9% (+1,7) New People: 4,7% (new) Russian Party of Pensioners for Social Justice: 3,6% (+1,9) Communists of Russia: 1,9% (-0,4) Yabloko: 1,6% (-0,4)
There already numerous reports of vote rigging and it doesn't look like isolated incidents. Some regions like Chechnya will outright fake the numbers as usual. Though the numbers aren't outright fake.
Interesting to see the Communist Party up so much in the exit poll. Of the leading parties, they are the only true opposition party as we know them. They are, of course, compliant enough, but nothing like the sham parties (LDPR - setup by the KGB as a right-wing nationalist populist party to split opposition to Yeltsin in the early 90s/ Just Russia - setup by people in Putin's administration to try to consolidate the left-wing vote/ New People - Clearly setup with the Kremlin's support to try to split the opposition vote).
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Post by relique on Sept 19, 2021 23:28:57 GMT
Well, counting is underway. Honestly, I don't think rigging the votes is on the agenda when only 'good people' is allowed to be candidate (and the head of State is that popular, even in independent polling). Exit polls: United Russia: 45,2% (-9) Communist Party: 21% (+7,7) Liberal Democratic Party of Russia: 8,7% (-4,4) A Just Russia - For Truth: 7,9% (+1,7) New People: 4,7% (new) Russian Party of Pensioners for Social Justice: 3,6% (+1,9) Communists of Russia: 1,9% (-0,4) Yabloko: 1,6% (-0,4)
There already numerous reports of vote rigging and it doesn't look like isolated incidents. Some regions like Chechnya will outright fake the numbers as usual. Though the numbers aren't outright fake.
Interesting to see the Communist Party up so much in the exit poll. Of the leading parties, they are the only true opposition party as we know them. They are, of course, compliant enough, but nothing like the sham parties (LDPR - setup by the KGB as a right-wing nationalist populist party to split opposition to Yeltsin in the early 90s/ Just Russia - setup by people in Putin's administration to try to consolidate the left-wing vote/ New People - Clearly setup with the Kremlin's support to try to split the opposition vote).
Chechnya is indeed a special case, of course.
I'm not saying there is no rigging, of course, but I really don't think it's orchestrated by Putin or his closest advisors. I do believe it's possible that local officials are "competing" to have the best (but still almost believable) results to be well-seen by Putin, and rigging the votes. I was given a few lectures by (western)-european scientists that had studied different results and try to estimate these kinds of phenomenons. It was quite interesting, although I don't remember the exact figures !
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Post by johnloony on Sept 20, 2021 0:12:35 GMT
Couldn't resist  That’s not the video I was expecting. I thought it was going to be the strutting-up-and-down one. |
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Post by Toylyyev on Sept 20, 2021 5:41:19 GMT
Couldn't resist That’s not the video I was expecting. I thought it was going to be the strutting-up-and-down one. I have a vague recollection of something of that kind, but wasn't able to find it on the first go. The inspiration for picking the clip came by recycling the old joke of Lithuania being the greatest country on earth. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 20, 2021 6:47:59 GMT
The Party of Crooks and Thieves is claiming to have won a two-thirds majority.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 20, 2021 16:04:50 GMT
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Post by cogload on Jun 5, 2023 22:05:39 GMT
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 5, 2023 22:40:45 GMT
Yes, a bit sceptical about this. Some predicted it after the dissolution of the USSR but Russia stayed in one piece fairly comfortably despite all the traumas. It stayed together through brute force. If Chechnya had managed to get its proper independence, the rest of the Circassian and other Muslim states would've went. Then the Tartars. You've also got to bear in mind all the Chinese immigration into Siberia. Do you think the CCP would let the opportunity to grab resource rich regions in Siberia go to waste were Russian central authority to collapse? Furthermore, we've got to bear in mind that, despite everything, there was genuine optimism after the collapse of the CPSU. It seems to me that contemporary Russia is hollowed out and nihilistic.Doing an uthacalthing and re-highlighting this. I would say I have, sadly, been proven right in a spectacularly unfortunate way. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 5, 2023 22:51:35 GMT
It stayed together through brute force. If Chechnya had managed to get its proper independence, the rest of the Circassian and other Muslim states would've went. Then the Tartars. You've also got to bear in mind all the Chinese immigration into Siberia. Do you think the CCP would let the opportunity to grab resource rich regions in Siberia go to waste were Russian central authority to collapse? Furthermore, we've got to bear in mind that, despite everything, there was genuine optimism after the collapse of the CPSU. It seems to me that contemporary Russia is hollowed out and nihilistic.Doing an uthacalthing and re-highlighting this. I would say I have, sadly, been proven right in a spectacularly unfortunate way. I would have thought that Russia has always had a tendency towards Nihilism. The term was effectively popularised by Turgenev with his character Basarov in the novel "Fathers and Sons"
“So many memories and so little worth remembering, and in front of me — a long, long road without a goal...”
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