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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2022 12:38:32 GMT
It looks like Le Pen's stance on Russia has sunk her chances of winning the election. Without that handicap it might have been a 50/50 chance either way. Its certainly a bit baffling that she has seemed to double down on it recently, rather than trying to distance herself from Putin as one might expect. If You are indebted... |
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Post by relique on Apr 21, 2022 13:51:17 GMT
An Antonio at another forum had the good idea to group the elec.res. this way:  I believe Lassalle is taking up more votes from the (rural) left than the right. He was after all the 'left wing' of Bayrou's Modem. His good showing of the south west of course is due to the fact he is from the south west but still, in the south west, rurality is left leaning. And the left wing candidates have done worse in the rural left, probably losing votes to Lassalle and Le Pen while gaining a lot of Macron votes in the cities Édit: there's something wrong with Corsican results. I don't have time right now to see what it is |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2022 17:23:46 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2022 17:34:08 GMT
An Antonio at another forum had the good idea to group the elec.res. this way: Édit: there's something wrong with Corsican results. I don't have time right now to see what it is I am sorry - a typo: With Hamon at 3.74% i gave Mélenchon the same %, instead of 13.74%. Improved version:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2022 19:14:38 GMT
Ile-de-France: Petite & Grande Couronne. Votes:  %, measured at - all eligible votes:  - only participating&valid votes:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2022 19:17:28 GMT
So even outer Ile-de-France is now to the left of France as a whole (more than Outer London, which is - if a remember correctly - still a TossUp?).
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 21, 2022 19:44:53 GMT
The south east of the Val-de-Oise and maybe some patches of the far west of Yvelines aside, the outer parts of the IdF are much more the equivalent to the 'inner' (from a London perspective) parts of the Home Counties than Outer London as such, so...
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 21, 2022 20:32:30 GMT
Currently sitting in a very nice part of Hauts de Seine, which is twinned, somewhat appropriately with Barnes.
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 21, 2022 21:22:39 GMT
The south east of the Val-de-Oise and maybe some patches of the far west of Yvelines aside, the outer parts of the IdF are much more the equivalent to the 'inner' (from a London perspective) parts of the Home Counties than Outer London as such, so... the issue here is more that while that is true Seine-et-Marne also includes random bits of banlieue, not enclaves but contiguous to their counterparts in SSD and VdM, and these are the most densely populated bits. Essonne similarly comes out not too dissimilar to Croydon C + Croydon S + E Surrey. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2022 22:36:55 GMT
The south east of the Val-de-Oise and maybe some patches of the far west of Yvelines aside, the outer parts of the IdF are much more the equivalent to the 'inner' (from a London perspective) parts of the Home Counties than Outer London as such, so... Exactly:  Thus the outCome was quite surprising for me. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 21, 2022 23:30:30 GMT
The south east of the Val-de-Oise and maybe some patches of the far west of Yvelines aside, the outer parts of the IdF are much more the equivalent to the 'inner' (from a London perspective) parts of the Home Counties than Outer London as such, so... the issue here is more that while that is true Seine-et-Marne also includes random bits of banlieue, not enclaves but contiguous to their counterparts in SSD and VdM, and these are the most densely populated bits. Essonne similarly comes out not too dissimilar to Croydon C + Croydon S + E Surrey. Yeah I was hesitating a bit on which parts of the outer departments to do the caveat for. It's a bit odd that Seine-et-Marne wasn't included in the big reorganisation of Paris-area departments in the 60s, but it isn't as if the GLC/A boundaries are all that logical either. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 22, 2022 15:23:39 GMT
The south east of the Val-de-Oise and maybe some patches of the far west of Yvelines aside, the outer parts of the IdF are much more the equivalent to the 'inner' (from a London perspective) parts of the Home Counties than Outer London as such, so... the issue here is more that while that is true Seine-et-Marne also includes random bits of banlieue, not enclaves but contiguous to their counterparts in SSD and VdM, and these are the most densely populated bits. Essonne similarly comes out not too dissimilar to Croydon C + Croydon S + E Surrey. I'd never thought of Essone as Croydon but you're absolutely on the money. Créteil over in Val-de-Marne is like a Croydon/Basingstoke mix. I once found myself working on an industrial estate in the Essone and wondered why there was a giant concrete wall out the back window. It was Fleury-Merogis prison: very grim! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 22, 2022 16:39:52 GMT
the issue here is more that while that is true Seine-et-Marne also includes random bits of banlieue, not enclaves but contiguous to their counterparts in SSD and VdM, and these are the most densely populated bits. Essonne similarly comes out not too dissimilar to Croydon C + Croydon S + E Surrey. I'd never thought of Essone as Croydon but you're absolutely on the money. Créteil over in Val-de-Marne is like a Croydon/Basingstoke mix. I once found myself working on an industrial estate in the Essone and wondered why there was a giant concrete wall out the back window. It was Fleury-Merogis prison: very grim! If it was in Croydon downtown it would be the most attractive building |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 22, 2022 17:37:01 GMT
I'd never thought of Essone as Croydon but you're absolutely on the money. Créteil over in Val-de-Marne is like a Croydon/Basingstoke mix. I once found myself working on an industrial estate in the Essone and wondered why there was a giant concrete wall out the back window. It was Fleury-Merogis prison: very grim! If it was in Croydon downtown it would be the most attractive building And would have fewer loitering criminals than East Croydon station. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 21:58:52 GMT
EEC Referendum 1975 Remain 67% Leave 32%
EU Referendum 2016 52% Leave 48% Remain
French election 2017 Macron 66% Le Pen 33%
French election 2022?
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Post by where2travel on Apr 23, 2022 0:00:05 GMT
If it was in Croydon downtown it would be the most attractive building And would have fewer loitering criminals than East Croydon station. While I'm certainly no fan of Croydon town centre, the area around East Croydon and the station seems to have smartened itself up a bit with all the new apartments and BOXPARK. I change from the tram to the train there on my way to Gatwick, and it feels very different from 10+ years ago. West Croydon on the other hand, that does fit very well with what you're both saying. |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 23, 2022 1:21:51 GMT
EEC Referendum 1975 Remain 67% Leave 32% EU Referendum 2016 52% Leave 48% Remain French election 2017 Macron 66% Le Pen 33% French election 2022? 2017: Opinion Polls: Macron 61% Le Pen 39% 2017: Result: Macron 66% Le Pen 34% 2022: Opinion Polls: Macron 55% Le Pen 45% 2022: Result: Macron 59% Le Pen 41% |
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Post by neilm on Apr 23, 2022 8:54:50 GMT
If it was in Croydon downtown it would be the most attractive building And would have fewer loitering criminals than East Croydon station. And would have been bought by a council owned development vehicle that promptly went bust, owing millions despite spending almost nothing. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 23, 2022 17:13:01 GMT
EEC Referendum 1975 Remain 67% Leave 32% EU Referendum 2016 52% Leave 48% Remain French election 2017 Macron 66% Le Pen 33% French election 2022? 2017: Opinion Polls: Macron 61% Le Pen 39% 2017: Result: Macron 66% Le Pen 34% 2022: Opinion Polls: Macron 55% Le Pen 45% 2022: Result: Macron 59% Le Pen 41% The - only? - good aspect of the present scenery is, that the TurnOut-numbers in the afterNoon should already provide a clear picture. |
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Post by relique on Apr 23, 2022 17:32:45 GMT
Participation west of the hexagon:
Département: at 12 'clock (compared with 2017) (compared with 2022 first round)
Guadeloupe: 19,46% (20,89%) (17,31)
Martinique: 20,16% (19,53%) (17,50)
Guyane: 15,89% (19,92%) (15,53)
St Pierre et Miquelon: 22,51% (26,45%) (20,44)
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