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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Nov 15, 2016 18:01:05 GMT
Just browsing through some of the old posts on this thread. I find this one particularly amusing. If John Bolton becomes Secretary of State some of your comments about the "blood thirsty warmonger" Hillary Clinton might also look amusing. From the rumours I've heard, it might be either him or Giuliani...take your pick. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 15, 2016 18:08:41 GMT
If John Bolton becomes Secretary of State some of your comments about the "blood thirsty warmonger" Hillary Clinton might also look amusing. From the rumours I've heard, it might be either him or Giuliani...take your pick. As much as his recent behaviour makes you question his sanity I would still take Giuliani over Bolton without a moment's hesitation. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 15, 2016 18:41:45 GMT
People who are pointing to Clinton's narrow popular vote lead as a straw clutch measure are fooling themselves. Johnson polled 3% nationally. Sorry.
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Post by mboy on Nov 15, 2016 19:08:58 GMT
Yes, third party candidates clearly hurt Republicans more.
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 15, 2016 19:42:15 GMT
From the rumours I've heard, it might be either him or Giuliani...take your pick. As much as his recent behaviour makes you question his sanity I would still take Giuliani over Bolton without a moment's hesitation. That is unfortunately true... |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 15, 2016 19:44:24 GMT
From the rumours I've heard, it might be either him or Giuliani...take your pick. As much as his recent behaviour makes you question his sanity I would still take Giuliani over Bolton without a moment's hesitation. Can't Kerry accidentally forget to resign? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 20:48:49 GMT
As much as his recent behaviour makes you question his sanity I would still take Giuliani over Bolton without a moment's hesitation. Can't Kerry accidentally forget to resign? Or maybe Clinton could get her old job back?  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 15, 2016 20:51:28 GMT
Can't Kerry accidentally forget to resign? Or maybe Clinton could get her old job back? Not sure that would be an improvement on Notlob or Rudy. |
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Post by Sharon on Nov 15, 2016 21:00:59 GMT
Clinton is up to 61,505,675, with Trump at 60,671,317, as of now. Where did you get those numbers? 2 different websites, "The Green Papers" and the "Washington Post" give different numbers... |
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Post by Jack on Nov 15, 2016 21:09:35 GMT
Can't Kerry accidentally forget to resign? Or maybe Clinton could get her old job back? I don't think she'd marry Trump, to be honest... Oh, you mean secretary of state. Right. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 15, 2016 21:11:29 GMT
Or maybe Clinton could get her old job back? I don't think she'd marry Trump, to be honest... I suspect she would if she calculated there was a benefit for her. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 21:19:48 GMT
I don't think she'd marry Trump, to be honest... I suspect she would if she calculated there was a benefit for her. Edith Wilson ran the government for almost 1.5 years after her husband suffered a stroke simply by deciding which matters were important enough for him to see and then "advising" him. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 15, 2016 21:37:01 GMT
I suspect she would if she calculated there was a benefit for her. Edith Wilson ran the government for almost 1.5 years after her husband suffered a stroke simply by deciding which matters were important enough for him to see and then "advising" him. I wouldn't normally speak ill of the dead, but the 18 months for which he was incapacitated were the best of his regime. What an awful man. |
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Post by mboy on Nov 15, 2016 22:04:01 GMT
As much as his recent behaviour makes you question his sanity I would still take Giuliani over Bolton without a moment's hesitation. That is unfortunately true... It's a measure of how this year has run that we sane people have ended up rooting for Theresa May to be PM and for Giuliani to be Secretary of State. In a few months it's possible we'll be rooting for Sarkozy to be French President, for f*cks sake.  |
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Nov 15, 2016 22:05:27 GMT
That is unfortunately true... It's a measure of how this year has run that we sane people have ended up rooting for Theresa May to be PM and for Giuliani to be Secretary of State. In a few months it's possible we'll be rooting for Sarkozy to be French President, for f*cks sake. You think this cocksure, self-righteous, condescending, smugness doesn't cause these things to happen? Brexit, Trump; what has to happen before you give it up? |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 15, 2016 22:26:03 GMT
Or maybe Clinton could get her old job back? Not sure that would be an improvement on Notlob or Rudy. Oh I am.....................Quite sure! |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 15, 2016 23:48:36 GMT
That is unfortunately true... It's a measure of how this year has run that we sane people have ended up rooting for Theresa May to be PM and for Giuliani to be Secretary of State. In a few months it's possible we'll be rooting for Sarkozy to be French President, for f*cks sake. I'm not sure the outside world rushing to tell the French they shouldn't vote for Le Pen is quite the best approach. Unless you support Marine Le Pen. |
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Post by mboy on Nov 15, 2016 23:56:42 GMT
It's a measure of how this year has run that we sane people have ended up rooting for Theresa May to be PM and for Giuliani to be Secretary of State. In a few months it's possible we'll be rooting for Sarkozy to be French President, for f*cks sake. You think this cocksure, self-righteous, condescending, smugness doesn't cause these things to happen? Brexit, Trump; what has to happen before you give it up? Nuclear Armageddon. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 16, 2016 0:22:57 GMT
It's a measure of how this year has run that we sane people have ended up rooting for Theresa May to be PM and for Giuliani to be Secretary of State. In a few months it's possible we'll be rooting for Sarkozy to be French President, for f*cks sake. Rand Paul, who sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has said that he would be strongly opposed to Giuliani or Bolton getting the job, especially Bolton who he (correctly) describes as 'totally unfit' for the role The interesting thing here is that assuming Paul retains his seat on the Foreign Relations Committee his vote along with that of every Democrat on the committee would be enough to prevent any nomination proceeding out of the committee as the split is 10-9 in the GOP's favour. It is possible for the Senate as a whole to vote to discharge the committee of considering the nominee and bring the nomination to the floor but that would be extremely controversial and a traditionalist like McConnell will be loathed to go down such a route. If he were to do so I would imagine he would only do it in return for significant concessions from Trump in other areas. Another thing to contemplate here. If any controversial Trump nominees are confirmed with less than 60 votes the blame for their confirmation will fall squarely on the shoulders of Harry Reid. It was Reid, the worst Senate Majority Leader in history, who led his party in gutting the filibuster for presidential nominees (other than to the supreme court) back in November 2013. In the aftermath Carl Levin, one of just 3 democratic senators to oppose the move (the others were Mark Pryor and Joe Manchin), predicted that one day the Democrats would come to regret what that had done. That day is likely very close to hand. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 16, 2016 0:53:31 GMT
The interesting thing here is that assuming Paul retains his seat on the Foreign Relations Committee his vote along with that of every Democrat on the committee would be enough to prevent any nomination proceeding out of the committee as the split is 10-9 in the GOP's favour. It is possible for the Senate as a whole to vote to discharge the committee of considering the nominee and bring the nomination to the floor but that would be extremely controversial and a traditionalist like McConnell will be loathed to go down such a route. If he were to do so I would imagine he would only do it in return for significant concessions from Trump in other areas. Another thing to contemplate here. If any controversial Trump nominees are confirmed with less than 60 votes the blame for their confirmation will fall squarely on the shoulders of Harry Reid. It was Reid, the worst Senate Majority Leader in history, who led his party in gutting the filibuster for presidential nominees ( other than to the supreme court) back in November 2013. In the aftermath Carl Levin, one of just 3 democratic senators to oppose the move (the others were Mark Pryor and Joe Manchin), predicted that one day the Democrats would come to regret what that had done. That day is likely very close to hand. Trump has published a list (as you know) of potential Supreme Court nominees from amongst whom he will chose his nominee. Given that all of them are reputed to be highly conservative, given the circumstances of the election and given all the drama of the Merrik Garland nomination I somehow doubt that any of the 21 judges on the list will be acceptable to enough Senate Democrats to avoid fillibuster. Conservative Republicans will want the empty SCOTUS seat filled quicky. I rather suspect the fillibuster for the Supreme Court nominees will soon be abolished as well. Quite possibly. The ball really is in the Democrat's court because while McConnell will be loathed to further gut the filibuster he almost certainly will do if the Democrats push him too far. That said it would only take 3 GOP senators to scupper such a move and there certainly will be some who would need a lot of convincing to go down that road. Collins, Graham and McCain are the surviving GOP members of the "gang of 14". Personally I have always argued that rather than gut the filibuster the majority party should force the minority to actually filibuster. Keep the Senate in session all night, over a weekend, etc and make them talk the whole time. That would limit filibusters to matters of real importance, as was originally intended, rather than just imposing a 60 vote threshold. |
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