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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 13:22:15 GMT
Why do you even care? That's honestly the worst thing about you - and there's a lot to choose from! - the nasty obsessive pettiness. pot kettle black |
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Post by right on Nov 14, 2016 13:25:15 GMT
Most losing Presidential candidates have managed to give a concession speech in the evening of election day to their supporters, not sending someone out to tell them to go home because the candidate was too overwrought to give a speech until the next day. If it was bad for Clinton, imagine how bad it was for Gore, who had already had Bush ring him up and concede to him earlier in the day. Btf though he didnt concede for weeks afterwards! Gore was different as there was (admittedly dwindling) doubt. There was no doubt with Clinton. |
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Post by right on Nov 14, 2016 13:26:00 GMT
It is claimed in some quarters that one reason for the delay was that HRC had been so sure of victory she hadn't even prepared a concession speech  Neither had Romney to be fair... Even Miliband came out with something on the night. |
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Post by right on Nov 14, 2016 13:30:08 GMT
I don't care for Clinton, but what's the big deal there? Reacting like a normal human being? How awful! I think there's a lot of sympathy on these boards for the poor bloody foot soldiers who would have been devastated by the result. Most of us have been there. Clinton did not come out to comfort them - but in effect put her own comfort first. That's not a decent political leader. |
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Post by spqr on Nov 14, 2016 14:04:54 GMT
@fraser once observed to me that a community gets the local pub it deserves and the bus shelter it deserves. He observed this when I showed him a phone box with a seat, a pen and notepad, airfreshner and dried flowers near my house. Unst must be nice. Or boring. Is Unst not the place that has a bus shelter with a carpet, lampshade, threadbare 1970s sofa and a stockpile of fresh turnips? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 14, 2016 14:25:45 GMT
It is claimed in some quarters that one reason for the delay was that HRC had been so sure of victory she hadn't even prepared a concession speech Although BBC correspondent Kim Ghattas said on the election night show that she had prepared a speech for both outcomes. Andrew Neil jokingly asked her whether she'd prepared a third speech in the event of a tied result. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 14, 2016 15:45:13 GMT
I don't care for Clinton, but what's the big deal there? Reacting like a normal human being? How awful! That was the behaviour of an individual unfit to be president. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 14, 2016 17:03:35 GMT
It is only with hindsight that I look back at the respective conventions and realise the difference.
When I watched the GOP one, it seemed like overwrought, simplistic garbage.
When I watched the Dem one, it looked reasonably professional and slick.
When I watch now, the GOP one is the relentless repetition of simplistic key themes.
And the Dem one is full of pet interests and appeals to minorities, in the midst of a massive economics-focussed revolt against Clinton in the primaries. It seems tin eared.
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 14, 2016 17:49:01 GMT
And the Dem one is full of pet interests and appeals to minorities, in the midst of a massive economics-focussed revolt against Clinton in the primaries. It seems tin eared. There is of course nothing wrong with some focus on pet interests or appeals to certain groups and every campaign has them. The problem was that the campaign became nothing more than succession of appeals to various interests and groups with no overriding theme other than 'Trump is really bad so vote for Hillary'. The great irony is that this is the opposite of how Bill Clinton successfully campaigned for the Presidency. I think I posted this a few days ago but I will post again because of how relevant it is. It is the keynote address to the Democratic Convention in 1992 by Zell Miller. There is almost nothing in that speech that the Democratic Party should find objectionable yet it is inconceivable that any Democrat would give a speech like it now. www.c-span.org/video/?27051-1/governor-zell-miller-1992-democratic-national-convention-keynote-address |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 14, 2016 18:44:25 GMT
And the Dem one is full of pet interests and appeals to minorities, in the midst of a massive economics-focussed revolt against Clinton in the primaries. It seems tin eared. I can say quite honestly that this worried me at the time. Oh well. |
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Post by jamie on Nov 14, 2016 21:26:21 GMT
@barctom To reiterate what others have said, there is legitimate attempts at voter suppression/whatever you want to call it. I specifically highlighted those 2 states as Wisconsin has made voter ID much more restrictive while North Carolina GOP removed early voting locations from black areas and openly bragged in a press release post election about how African American turnout was down. I fully accept part of the turnout in these states and the turnout in others was largely due to an uninspiring candidate, lack of economic message as nitory mentioned, lack of Clinton campaigning etc. However, I think it is important to highlight partisan voter suppression, particularly when there is really not a voter fraud problem in America of any magnitude, unlike in Britain to a degree. Finally, my points weren't just 'leftie'. I think the term 'white privilege' is pretty redundant and unhelpful, I don't think anyone really opposes gender neutrality (at least opposition to sexism) and I do think globalisation is good but those affected should get help in retraining and bringing different manufacturing/service jobs to their area. I also recognise the Democrats should have been more anti globalisation, even if it's just effectively token eg; Chinese currency manipulation, steel dumping, tariffs on those who break agreements etc. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 14, 2016 22:45:49 GMT
2008 McCain: 59,948,323 votes
2012 Romney: 60,933,504 votes
2016 Trump: 60,371,193 votes
2008 Obama: 69,498,516 votes
2012 Obama: 65,915,795 votes
2016 Clinton: 61,039,676 votes
(as of today)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 22:59:18 GMT
This will, however, not be the case in inner city Milwaukee, the part of the state that the new rules were intended to target. Look the Republican Party are utter sh!tstains over this kind of thing and even pretty much brag about it. American politics is far more fundamentally unpleasant than British observers realise. What the Democrats need now is a Richard Daley. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 14, 2016 23:04:00 GMT
Clinton is up to 61,505,675, with Trump at 60,671,317, as of now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 23:08:34 GMT
Totally amazing situation, Trump is so unprepared that Obama and his staff are taking extra time to talk him and his appointees through the day to day routine. Not one knew that when the Presedent left those he hired walked out the door with him. Over 4000 jobs suddenly advertised in DC.
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Post by mboy on Nov 15, 2016 0:02:54 GMT
Totally amazing situation, Trump is so unprepared that Obama and his staff are taking extra time to talk him and his appointees through the day to day routine. Not one knew that when the Presedent left those he hired walked out the door with him. Over 4000 jobs suddenly advertised in DC. I simply don't believe that. Some left-wing "news" sites are getting carried away with themselves. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 15, 2016 0:07:29 GMT
Totally amazing situation, Trump is so unprepared that Obama and his staff are taking extra time to talk him and his appointees through the day to day routine. Not one knew that when the Presedent left those he hired walked out the door with him. Over 4000 jobs suddenly advertised in DC. I simply don't believe that. Some left-wing "news" sites are getting carried away with themselves. It was reported more credibly that Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law, had asked how many staff would be staying on. In any event with Reince Priebus as Chief of Staff we can probably safely assume that the routine functioning of the Executive Branch will not be a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 0:21:01 GMT
Totally amazing situation, Trump is so unprepared that Obama and his staff are taking extra time to talk him and his appointees through the day to day routine. Not one knew that when the Presedent left those he hired walked out the door with him. Over 4000 jobs suddenly advertised in DC. I simply don't believe that. Some left-wing "news" sites are getting carried away with themselves. Rarely go on left wing "news" sites, did go onto the Canary because of the rumours that it is awful, yup, sometimes the rumours are right www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/14/13624858/donald-trump-transition-presidency |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 15, 2016 0:29:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 0:54:21 GMT
Will read this a few times but they threw away the election. Clinton was a crap candidate anyway. Oh Joe Bidden................Why |
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