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Post by greenhert on May 28, 2021 17:43:12 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on May 28, 2021 18:18:38 GMT
at least last time around (presumely this year as well) while all the candidates were CP approved, there were still contested elections - most constituencies had more candidates than seats. Obviously not a free election and all the excitement of a damp squib unless you're a candidate, but not your typical electoral type sham (unless it was that as well, ie some candidates were allowed to stand but not to win, which seems possible). |
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Post by finsobruce on May 28, 2021 18:41:51 GMT
at least last time around (presumely this year as well) while all the candidates were CP approved, there were still contested elections - most constituencies had more candidates than seats. Obviously not a free election and all the excitement of a damp squib unless you're a candidate, but not your typical electoral type sham ( unless it was that as well, ie some candidates were allowed to stand but not to win, which seems possible).Didn't the Soviet Union have local elections at least on that basis? |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on May 28, 2021 20:56:07 GMT
It's weird that the wikipedia article is using a photograph of Nguyen Phu Trong from 2006.
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Post by johnloony on May 29, 2021 2:13:33 GMT
at least last time around (presumely this year as well) while all the candidates were CP approved, there were still contested elections - most constituencies had more candidates than seats. Obviously not a free election and all the excitement of a damp squib unless you're a candidate, but not your typical electoral type sham ( unless it was that as well, ie some candidates were allowed to stand but not to win, which seems possible).Didn't the Soviet Union have local elections at least on that basis? The USSR had elections with only 1 candidate per vacancy almost universally until very late in the Gorbachev era. There were local elections on the day we left the USSR (24th February 1985). I remember our guide telling us about how there were some non-party candidates, and that occasionally a few candidates were defeated, but that all candidates had to be approved by the CPSU anyway. It wasn’t until years later that Soviet elections were in any meaningful way competitive or involving diversity of choice. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 29, 2021 10:01:23 GMT
I didn't know that Vietnam was still a one party state. I think a lot of people expected it to move at least some way towards multi-party democracy rather sooner than China. But it doesn't seem to have happened. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 29, 2021 10:05:52 GMT
Moving to democracy wouldn't be a very wise move for them. They're all old men who remember Gorbachev.
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 29, 2021 13:40:44 GMT
Moving to democracy wouldn't be a very wise move for them. They're all old men who remember Gorbachev. They can at least claim to be real democrats, because they can represent the whole people; whereas the West's liberal MultiParty-DemoCracy is nearly always only based on a majority. |
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Post by johnloony on May 29, 2021 15:25:55 GMT
I didn't know that Vietnam was still a one party state. I think a lot of people expected it to move at least some way towards multi-party democracy rather sooner than China. But it doesn't seem to have happened. China has 8 other small token political parties as well as the Communist Party (to which they are all subservient); I'm not sure if Vietnam has other parties too, or whether the various "other" MPs are all independent. P.S. Wikipedia says that there used to be the Socialist Party of Vietnam and the Democratic Party of Vietnam, but they were both dissolved in 1988. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 29, 2021 19:20:39 GMT
I think a lot of people expected it to move at least some way towards multi-party democracy rather sooner than China. But it doesn't seem to have happened. China has 8 other small token political parties as well as the Communist Party (to which they are all subservient); I'm not sure if Vietnam has other parties too, or whether the various "other" MPs are all independent. P.S. Wikipedia says that there used to be the Socialist Party of Vietnam and the Democratic Party of Vietnam, but they were both dissolved in 1988. Sounds like the GDR, where the SED didn't in fact have a majority in the parliament, but since the other parties followed their lead it didn't matter. Until the wall came down, that is, then suddenly the other parties found their own voices. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 3, 2021 21:14:06 GMT
China has 8 other small token political parties as well as the Communist Party (to which they are all subservient); I'm not sure if Vietnam has other parties too, or whether the various "other" MPs are all independent. P.S. Wikipedia says that there used to be the Socialist Party of Vietnam and the Democratic Party of Vietnam, but they were both dissolved in 1988. Sounds like the GDR, where the SED didn't in fact have a majority in the parliament, but since the other parties followed their lead it didn't matter. Until the wall came down, that is, then suddenly the other parties found their own voices. Though the other 4 parties did also not obtain a majority - "decisive" were the representatives of TradeUnion, WoMen, youth, artists. |
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