sirbenjamin
IFP
True fame is reading your name written in graffiti, but without the words 'is a wanker' after it.
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Post by sirbenjamin on Dec 28, 2022 17:54:27 GMT
The "fictional" election that has always annoyed me (maybe a bit unreasonably) is the Tories winning a previously safe Labour seat in Tyneside at the 1979 GE as a major plot device in Our Friends In The North. Of course, nothing remotely like that actually happened IRL.
There could be a whole thread for things that writers/screenwriters are generally hopeless at getting right:
- psephology
- chess, poker, scrabble and presumably tonnes of other games of which I don't have deep knowledge
- transport systems
- pubs
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Post by spinach on Dec 28, 2022 19:21:49 GMT
2011 CensusAge 65+ 8.5% 631/650 Owner-occupied 48.4% 587/650 Private rented 32.8% 15/650 Social rented 16.7% 301/650 White 65.9% 590/650 Black 12.0% 34/650 Asian 15.3% 70/650 Managerial & professional 48.1% (Lower managerial, administrative and professional 29.6% 7/650) Routine & Semi-routine 13.3% Employed in real estate activities 2.4% 12/650 Employed in professional, scientific and technical activities 15.1% 15/650 Degree level 51.4% 10/650 No qualifications 12.2% 637/650 Students 9.7% 155/650
2021 CensusWhite 66.5% Black 10.0% Asian 14.0% So the White percentage increased very marginally, whilst both the Black and Asian shares decreased. An indication of gentrification? Lots of young professionals have moved further down the Northern Line to Tooting since Clapham has become more expensive. Tooting Market and Broadway Market still has lots of Asian shops, but there's now a large number of trendy food places frequented by young professionals. The areas south of Tooting Broadway tube station are more working class and ethnically diverse, but the roads round Tooting Bec are fairly affluent. The MSOAs round Tooting Bec and Wandsworth Common have a higher % of population working in higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations, and are all majority White British. % higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations Tooting Bec Common - 35.7% Springfield - 36.4% Wandsworth Common - 36.4% Tooting Bec East - 31.4% Tooting Bec West - 29.3% Tooting West - 18.0% Tooting East - 21.7% Furzedown West - 21.7% Furzedown East - 16.9% Graveney - 14.3% |
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 29, 2022 11:51:55 GMT
The "fictional" election that has always annoyed me (maybe a bit unreasonably) is the Tories winning a previously safe Labour seat in Tyneside at the 1979 GE as a major plot device in Our Friends In The North. Of course, nothing remotely like that actually happened IRL. There could be a whole thread for things that writers/screenwriters are generally hopeless at getting right:
- psephology
- chess, poker, scrabble and presumably tonnes of other games of which I don't have deep knowledge - transport systems - pubs
Thinking about it, the reason why it is annoying is that the series was remarkably "true to real life" in most respects. So it stuck out like a sore thumb even more. You are certainly right about chess, collating just the number of times the board is set up wrongly (often the wrong colour bottom corner square, but also K/Qs and even B/Kts wrong way round) is a minor cottage industry  (even before we get to totally nonsensical positions/moves etc) |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 29, 2022 12:25:05 GMT
In the original 'Our Friends in the North' play, the action ended with the 1979 general election but didn't include Nicky Hutchinson standing as a candidate. That was added for the TV series, but the plotting is clearly mostly inspired by the Bermondsey byelection which in real life took place later, and at a time when Labour extremism was far more exploitable.
Incidentally the Conservative campaign clearly hadn't found out about Nicky's connection to the Angry Brigade-inspired anarchist group in the early 1970s - had that become public I doubt his candidacy would have been allowed at all.
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Post by therealriga on Dec 29, 2022 14:07:39 GMT
The "fictional" election that has always annoyed me (maybe a bit unreasonably) is the Tories winning a previously safe Labour seat in Tyneside at the 1979 GE as a major plot device in Our Friends In The North. Of course, nothing remotely like that actually happened IRL. Debatable. Labour held Newcastle Upon Tyne West fairly comfortably in the post-war period but lost a successor seat Newcastle Upon Tyne Central in 1983. |
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Post by batman on Dec 29, 2022 21:56:38 GMT
Newcastle upon Tyne Central was the successor seat to Newcastle North, not West. Newcastle North post-1983 was the successor to Newcastle West & stayed Labour like the previous seat. Central voted Conservative in 1983 as the previous North always had but went Labour in 1987 & stayed there.
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Post by therealriga on Dec 29, 2022 23:08:55 GMT
Newcastle upon Tyne Central was the successor seat to Newcastle North, not West. Newcastle North post-1983 was the successor to Newcastle West & stayed Labour like the previous seat. Central voted Conservative in 1983 as the previous North always had but went Labour in 1987 & stayed there. That's why I said "a successor seat" rather than "the successor seat" since a much larger part went elsewhere. You're right, but I think it's within the realms of "acceptable election fantasy" for a Tyneside seat with different boundaries to switch in 1979 after being in the Labour camp previously. |
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Post by batman on Jul 13, 2023 20:49:31 GMT
is this constituency completely unchanged? Even if it is, some bits of sirbenjamin's profile would need to be updated in the light of the end of Conservative rule on Wandsworth council, although the great majority of it would be fine. Did you want to do this sirbenjamin?
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