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Post by LDCaerdydd on Feb 4, 2021 15:29:53 GMT
As we don’t have a thread:
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Post by hengo on Feb 4, 2021 16:03:52 GMT
Seems about right. He may well be the worst S of S. for Education ( in its various ministerial forms) I can remember , and I can go back to Fred Mulley- and I include john Patten in the running.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 4, 2021 16:13:01 GMT
Seems about right. He may well be the worst S of S. for Education ( in its various ministerial forms) I can remember , and I can go back to Fred Mulley- and I include john Patten in the running. If schools in Scotland or Wales reopen before those in England then that on its own should be a resigning matter. |
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Post by johng on Feb 4, 2021 16:20:35 GMT
Seems about right. He may well be the worst S of S. for Education ( in its various ministerial forms) I can remember , and I can go back to Fred Mulley- and I include john Patten in the running. Williamson has done a truly abysmal job at education. Lurching from one disaster to the next isn't even the worst thing. That's that so many of the situation have been self-induced and predictable.
I can't agree with the above statement though. One thing about schools in Wales and Scotland opening first is that Covid rates in England are much higher and double those in Wales/Scotland per 100,000. There won't be any big-bang openings either.
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 4, 2021 16:43:33 GMT
As we don’t have a thread: I know he's not technically a Cabinet Minister but I'd like to see where Nadhim Zahawi would fall on that chart - especially considering the success of the vaccine rollout. He's certainly been quite a visible presence on the media in the last few weeks, and I think he's given a good account of himself - but it'd be interesting to know what the public think. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 4, 2021 17:30:07 GMT
If schools in Scotland or Wales reopen before those in England then that on its own should be a resigning matter. Williamson has done a truly abysmal job at education. Lurching from one disaster to the next isn't even the worst thing. That's that so many of the situation have been self-induced and predictable.
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Post by hengo on Feb 4, 2021 17:36:54 GMT
She wasn’t very good really, but had the rare merit of knowing so. She’d rank among ones I liked more , but not very high in terms of competence.
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Feb 4, 2021 21:33:52 GMT
I wonder how long a former Secretary of State for Education and Science from the earlier 1970s would have put up his utter incompetence?
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Feb 4, 2021 21:43:24 GMT
I wonder how long a former Secretary of State for Education and Science from the earlier 1970s would have put up his utter incompetence? Depends on whether or not she'd have felt that sacking him would have put her own position in jeopardy. The final nail in May's coffin was sacking him from Defence (where he hardly covered himself in glory). |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 4, 2021 22:26:31 GMT
I wonder how long a former Secretary of State for Education and Science from the earlier 1970s would have put up his utter incompetence? Depends on whether or not she'd have felt that sacking him would have put her own position in jeopardy. The final nail in May's coffin was sacking him from Defence (where he hardly covered himself in glory). Yes I’m surprised he’s not told covid to just go away and shut up! |
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Post by Penddu on Feb 5, 2021 7:24:48 GMT
Seems about right. He may well be the worst S of S. for Education ( in its various ministerial forms) I can remember , and I can go back to Fred Mulley- and I include john Patten in the running. If schools in Scotland or Wales reopen before those in England then that on its own should be a resigning matter. I disagree - schools should only reopen when it is safe to do so. If Wales & Scotland have killed off the virus faster than England it should be a resigning matter for the SoS for Health not Education. |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 5, 2021 7:34:20 GMT
If schools in Scotland or Wales reopen before those in England then that on its own should be a resigning matter. I disagree - schools should only reopen when it is safe to do so. If Wales & Scotland have killed off the virus faster than England it should be a resigning matter for the SoS for Health not Education. What is your definition of"safe"? Eventually safetyism will have to be recognised as an unattainable dream.... |
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Feb 5, 2021 10:31:03 GMT
I disagree - schools should only reopen when it is safe to do so. If Wales & Scotland have killed off the virus faster than England it should be a resigning matter for the SoS for Health not Education. What is your definition of"safe"? Eventually safetyism will have to be recognised as an unattainable dream.... I went to a school that experienced multiple fires during my time there. Oddly they never equipped each of us with a mini fire extinguisher during our time there - dangerous, inconsiderate bastards. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 10:35:56 GMT
I'm not sure I believe that table tbh ....
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 5, 2021 10:46:34 GMT
I'm not sure I believe that table tbh .... But the sideboard makes some good points |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 5, 2021 12:53:01 GMT
What is your definition of"safe"? Eventually safetyism will have to be recognised as an unattainable dream.... I went to a school that experienced multiple fires during my time there. Oddly they never equipped each of us with a mini fire extinguisher during our time there - dangerous, inconsiderate bastards. On the railway we use ALARP to assess risk: As low as reasonably practical |
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Post by hengo on Feb 5, 2021 14:39:52 GMT
I think I’m right in saying that no child has been killed in a fire in a school in England ( and probably the UK but I don’t know) since the war.
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Post by Penddu on Feb 5, 2021 19:28:56 GMT
I disagree - schools should only reopen when it is safe to do so. If Wales & Scotland have killed off the virus faster than England it should be a resigning matter for the SoS for Health not Education. What is your definition of"safe"? Eventually safetyism will have to be recognised as an unattainable dream.... Safe is relative - ALARP if you prefer - my comment was regarding the demand for Gavin Williamson (as useless as he is) to resign if he didnt follow Wales or Scotland. Schoool opening should be based of safety risk assessment not political expediency. I never thought I would defend Gavin Williamson!!!) |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 5, 2021 21:18:11 GMT
What is your definition of"safe"? Eventually safetyism will have to be recognised as an unattainable dream.... Safe is relative - ALARP if you prefer - my comment was regarding the demand for Gavin Williamson (as useless as he is) to resign if he didnt follow Wales or Scotland. Schoool opening should be based of safety risk assessment not political expediency. I never thought I would defend Gavin Williamson!!!) School opening should be on the basis of damage to children's education. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 5, 2021 21:30:03 GMT
Safe is relative - ALARP if you prefer - my comment was regarding the demand for Gavin Williamson (as useless as he is) to resign if he didnt follow Wales or Scotland. Schoool opening should be based of safety risk assessment not political expediency. I never thought I would defend Gavin Williamson!!!) School opening should be on the basis of damage to children's education. Yeah, I remember a few schools like that. "When I look back at all the crap I learned in High School, it's a wonder I can think at all." |
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