ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Mar 31, 2022 10:30:11 GMT
    Personally I think provided the numbers can work it's better to cross the Norfolk-Suffolk county boundary than the Essex-Suffolk one. I don't think a Halstead & Haverhill seat that extends all the way up to Bury St Edmunds as the BCE proposes is particularly desirable, and whilst any cross-county seat will have some flaws, I think a Southwold & Diss seat is a little more coherent. In terms of Essex, there are no easy answers but I've kept the existing seats intact in Epping Forest and Brentwood & Ongar, and also followed the BCE's proposals in Thamesside Essex apart from adding an extra ward into Rayleigh & Wickford and transferring one over to Rochford & Southend East in turn. I don't particularly like what the BCE propose but there are no easy answers in that part of the world unfortunately given the numbers involved. 1 Maldon 74346 2 Colchester South 73976 3 Harwich and Colchester North 77006 4 Clacton 75451 5 Braintree 74926 6 Saffron Walden 76501 7 Harlow 73479 8 Epping Forest 74553 9 Brentwood and Ongar 74937 10 Basildon North and Billericay 76993 11 Witham and Woodham 76579 12 Chelmsford 74240 13 Rayleigh and Wickford 76443 14 Rochford and Southend East 74689 15 Southend West 69817 16 Castle Point 76569 17 Basildon South and East Thurrock 76260 18 Grays Thurrock 72023 19 South Suffolk 71070 20 Ipswich 75117 21 West Suffolk 72211 22 Bury St Edmunds 71558 23 Stowmarket and North Ipswich 70564 24 Woodbridge 75172 25 Southwold and Diss 74109 26 Lowestoft 73967 27 Great Yarmouth 70077 28 South East Norfolk 70620 29 Norwich South 73515 30 Norwich North 74086 31 Broadland 70635 32 North Norfolk 70313 33 South West Norfolk 74695 34 North West Norfolk 75200 35 Mid Norfolk 70404 |
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Post by YL on Mar 31, 2022 10:51:54 GMT
You're about to have Brightlingsea's road connections pointed out, I think.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 31, 2022 10:56:05 GMT
Also that you've split Stanway and that Lexden really needs to go with Prettygate. There are ways to do a 50/50ish division of Colchester that sort of work if you squint a bit, but you need to start out by working out which wards absolutely have to stay together and go from there.
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Post by ilerda on Mar 31, 2022 11:13:10 GMT
You're about to have Brightlingsea's road connections pointed out, I think. I did notice that. There's a foot ferry, but also the existing Harwich and North Essex has no road connection between Pyefleet and Mersea and the rest of the seat, so I don't think it's the end of the world. |
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Post by ilerda on Mar 31, 2022 11:20:02 GMT
Also that you've split Stanway and that Lexden really needs to go with Prettygate. There are ways to do a 50/50ish division of Colchester that sort of work if you squint a bit, but you need to start out by working out which wards absolutely have to stay together and go from there. I hadn't noticed Stanway, but could easily swap Stanway into Maldon and Pyefleet and Mersea into Colchester South. I agree splitting suburbs like Lexden/Prettygate isn't the most desirable, but I think when you're splitting a town it's sometimes unavoidable to some extent at least. My Harwich and Colchester North has a margin of 56 voters, so it's incredibly tight in order to avoid having to move an additional ward out of the combined Colchester seats. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 31, 2022 11:33:06 GMT
The foot-ferry from Brightlingsea to Point Clear only runs in the summer, and infrequently then. Mersea is a really bad fit in HNE, but it's a different case for two reasons:
1. It's not a deliberate change, it's just that when they created the Witham seat at the 5th Review the BCE were being dozy and didn't notice they'd isolated Mersea. That's different from making a deliberate decision to add a separated part.
2. Mersea doesn't go with anywhere that well, because it's absurdly insular. Brightlingsea would like to be, but unfortunately for them it joined up to the mainland half a millennium ago and it is a secondary centre for the nearby villages, so putting it in with Clacton breaks those ties.
If you do want a different split of Colchester (and on the ground the BCE proposal actually works pretty well, except round Braiswick which only effects a very small number of electors) then the best option is to swap Lexden, Prettygate and Rural North for Greenstead, St Anne's & St John's and Highwoods. Mile End and Highwoods look like a natural pair, but Highwoods Country Park does provide separation along most of their length and the boundary north of that is still semi-clear for now (though it will probably not be after another decade of housing development.) You're also uniting the university campus with the largest concentrations of student housing in the area.
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Post by emidsanorak on Mar 31, 2022 14:40:29 GMT
For an 18 seat Essex, it's not necessary to tamper with the Commission's arrangement around Colchester:
Basildon & Billericay as BCE 76993
Basildon South & Thurrock East as Labour 74936
Braintree as existing 74871
Brentwood as BCE less Lambourne; plus Chelmsford Rural West, Writtle 76212
Castle Point as existing plus Lodge 74604
Chelmsford as BCE 76454
Clacton as BCE 70942
Colchester as BCE 74520
Epping Forest as existing plus Lambourne 76172
Harlow as existing plus High Ongar Willingale & The Rodings, Moreton & Fyfield, Hatfield Heath, High Easter & the Rodings 75855
Harwich & Essex North as BCE 74056
Maldon as BCE less Rettendon & Runwell; plus Little Baddow Danbury & Sandon, Wickham Bishops & Woodham 74928
Rayleigh & Wickford as BCE less Lodge; plus Rettendon & Runwell 75996
Rochford & Southend East as existing less Milton; plus Roche North & Rural 70318
Saffron Walden as existing less Chelmsford Rural West, Writtle, Hatfield Heath, High Easter & the Rodings 76278
Southend West as existing plus Milton 76600
Thurrock as Labour and Tory 73347
Witham as BCE less Wickham Bishops & Woodham; plus Hatfield Peverel & Terling 75706
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Post by islington on Apr 1, 2022 20:00:52 GMT
I gave a 'like' to the plan by emidsanorak because it seemed to me that someone should, if only for ingenuity, but I'm afraid I'm still signed up to Essex/Suffolk with 26 seats and Norfolk with nine.
Speaking of Norfolk, here's a map of my tweak to the BCE plan that I posted the other day. Uncoloured areas are as per the BCE.
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Post by YL on Apr 1, 2022 20:40:01 GMT
For an 18 seat Essex, it's not necessary to tamper with the Commission's arrangement around Colchester: Basildon & Billericay as BCE 76993 Basildon South & Thurrock East as Labour 74936 Braintree as existing 74871 Brentwood as BCE less Lambourne; plus Chelmsford Rural West, Writtle 76212 Castle Point as existing plus Lodge 74604 Chelmsford as BCE 76454 Clacton as BCE 70942 Colchester as BCE 74520 Epping Forest as existing plus Lambourne 76172 Harlow as existing plus High Ongar Willingale & The Rodings, Moreton & Fyfield, Hatfield Heath, High Easter & the Rodings 75855 Harwich & Essex North as BCE 74056 Maldon as BCE less Rettendon & Runwell; plus Little Baddow Danbury & Sandon, Wickham Bishops & Woodham 74928 Rayleigh & Wickford as BCE less Lodge; plus Rettendon & Runwell 75996 Rochford & Southend East as existing less Milton; plus Roche North & Rural 70318 Saffron Walden as existing less Chelmsford Rural West, Writtle, Hatfield Heath, High Easter & the Rodings 76278 Southend West as existing plus Milton 76600 Thurrock as Labour and Tory 73347 Witham as BCE less Wickham Bishops & Woodham; plus Hatfield Peverel & Terling 75706 IIRC the plan submitted to the BCE by East Anglian Lefty achieves this too. One question is whether it is possible to have an 18 seat Essex with the BCE's Colchester area arrangements and the Tory version of Castle Point with the ward split. The answer is sort of yes but can it be done without splitting at least one town in Rochford district? |
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Post by islington on Apr 3, 2022 20:29:08 GMT
Second stage response now submitted in this region: BCE-94644.
Will the reference numbers get into six figures before the end of tomorrow?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 4, 2022 0:28:06 GMT
Second stage response now submitted in this region: BCE-94644.
Will the reference numbers get into six figures before the end of tomorrow?
BCE-94766 for Yorkshire. |
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Post by ricmk on Apr 4, 2022 9:47:01 GMT
I have handed my first ever submission in. Typically for me, on the date of the deadline. BCE-94769 is the magic number.
I ended up with 2 separate counter-proposals for Suffolk as I could tell that the wider reconfiguration (Felixstowe + Ipswich = 2 urban seats) is a tough sell with a minimum change option available.
I'm quite pleased with it as a paper but I wish I had got it in a round earlier as it would have given others a chance to pick over and see if the ideas got traction - just not possible with family circumstances over the past few months.
Having spent so long playing around with boundary maps, I'm quite satisfied to have turned curiosity into a proper submission.
I might as well enjoy the moment now as I'm sure it'll be ripped to shreds soon enough...
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