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Post by batman on Nov 16, 2022 11:51:13 GMT
The South Cotswolds arrangement is acceptable but the name is not. Cirencester & Malmesbury would be better especially since the Cotswolds have never included Wiltshire. North Cotswolds needs to be redrawn to include Quedgeley instead of Longlevens and Elmbridge and should be renamed Mid Gloucestershire. I agree the Cotswolds names are terrible, especially as both include areas not in the Cotswold Hills. I came up with Mid and East Gloucs, and Cirencester and N Wilts. Also agree Wealden is bad (my suggestion uses the 2 main towns). Similarly Wells and Mendip Hills is vague so gone for Mid Somerset there's a precedent for it as there was a Cotswolds Euro-constituency which included loads of non-Cotswold areas. |
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Post by islington on Nov 16, 2022 12:05:09 GMT
Longlevens is in *North Cotswolds*? That's even more of a monstrosity than Churchdown being there. Longlevens is in Tewkesbury in the current BCE plan.
Edited to add: Why are we discussing this in the South East thread?
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 16, 2022 12:07:30 GMT
I was going on greenhert's comment above - haven't yet looked at the new proposals here myself. |
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Post by YL on Nov 20, 2022 10:54:43 GMT
The proposals in the SE, and in England more generally that I've seen, are small-c Conservative. Deal with the most unpopular elements, minimum change where they can get away with it. In MK the predicted constituency name changes have been made but no one was really arguing the boundaries here. The Bucks/Beds and Beds/Hants crossings always likely to be a hard sell despite their merits, but t he ward split in Beaconsfield seems helpful. Not much else to say as I don't know West Sussex well, you'd guess this is where the focus will be at the final stage, apart from the name of Henley. On the bolded, yes it has helped in Beaconsfield, but one effect of the dreadful ward boundaries in Buckinghamshire is that fixing one problem easily leads to another one developing elsewhere. In this case, look at the boundary between Gerrards Cross and Denham wards, now proposed to become a constituency boundary separating part of Gerrards Cross from the bulk of the town. It's not, I suppose, as bad as the previous Beaconsfield split, as that went right through the Old Town and this one is more peripheral, but it's not great. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Nov 22, 2022 21:26:05 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. I think it's best known because of an Inspector Morse book and episode... One of the least interesting Morse episodes |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 22, 2022 21:38:24 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. Birthplace of the Black Prince. (The old royal palace of Woodstock, not Blenheim.) |
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Post by yellowperil on Nov 23, 2022 9:44:56 GMT
Thinking about the party organisation issues for a new Weald of Kent constituency. From a Lib Dem point of view is there a viable local party for the new constituency ? ( I think I know what the answer to that one might be, and if there were to be one I think the lead might need to come from the Maidstone end). Thinking of the Tories, I wonder how they sort themselves out, with the prospect of one of their safest seats in the country. I note that the Ashford MP Damian Green lives in the constituency and the Ashford Tory HQ, Hardy House in Bethersden, is also now firmly in Weald of Kent. I wonder if Green would prefer Weald to Ashford if he stays at all, or if not who else might be interested- I wondered about Helen Whately or Helen Grant,part of whose existing constituencies would go into the Weald one, and almost certainly safer than their urban areas. Will the Ashford Tories find themselves a new HQ within Ashford itself- even going back to the original Hardy House on Somerset Road so beloved of carlton43 ? It might also be interesting to see how Labour and the Greens respond to the challenge. Next week I intend going to the Ashford LD AGM ( as always , at the Elwick Club, Carlton might like to know!), so I will try to find out how the present Lib Dem leadership are thinking on this (if at all)- it could very well be my last Ashford Lib Dem AGM, my first in 1987 being the one that elected me as inaugural chairman! |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 23, 2022 15:55:50 GMT
I wish you well YP at that meeting and empathy with that associative time for you.
I remember the old Elwick Club in the New Rents area with wealthy farmers, grain dealers and the then small coterie of town professionals. I was then a member and could barely afford it. The stark bar with the gaunt waiters and barman in 'whites'. Then the new Elwick with a squash court were I used to let a lady friend 'just' beat me every week in more than one manner. Happy memories. And of the old Somerset Road, Hardy House followed by the Somerset arms for a swift 5-pints with young Coombes our agent. Another world in another age.
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Post by Adam Gray on Nov 28, 2022 14:44:24 GMT
Do you think if enough of us submit the same suggestion that we can get Bicester and Woodstock renamed Ahhhhhhh Bicester?
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 28, 2022 14:49:40 GMT
Do you think if enough of us submit the same suggestion that we can get Bicester and Woodstock renamed Ahhhhhhh Bicester? Just stick with the boundary stuff. Everything else is gravy. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 28, 2022 15:01:27 GMT
I think Adam's been on the sauce  |
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Post by batman on Nov 28, 2022 15:20:20 GMT
don't be mean to Adam, we don't want to see prejudice against jus
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 28, 2022 15:23:07 GMT
don't be mean to Adam, we don't want to see prejudice against jus it's just banter - do try and ketchup.  |
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Post by Adam Gray on Nov 28, 2022 18:22:56 GMT
Ahhhhhhhhhh Bicester and Beefstock?
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Post by ricmk on Dec 5, 2022 2:24:07 GMT
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Post by nyx on Feb 3, 2023 23:30:35 GMT
It has only just occurred to me that instead of going for radical changes in Hampshire, the Commission could have gone for something very much resembling a least change map, and with only two ward splits too... Sadly didn't think of this in time to submit it but it's the sort of thing I could imagine the Commission thinking of out of their own accord given their apparent tendency to gravitate towards more least change maps in general.  |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 28, 2023 11:47:55 GMT
Final Report
Part of Denham ward moved Beaconsfield -> Chesham and Amersham (new split)
Split of Hanover and Elm Grove between Brighton Kemptown and Brighton Pavilion adjusted, Brighton Kemptown renamed Brighton Kemptown and Peacehaven
Buxted moved Sussex Weald -> East Grinstead and Uckfield
"Ditching and Westmeston" and "Plumpton, Streat, East Chiltington and St John" moved East Grinstead and Uckfield -> Lewes
Darenth moved Sevenoaks -> Dartford
Wateringbury moved Maidstone and Malling -> Tonbridge
Leeds moved Weald of Kent -> Faversham and Mid Kent
4 renamings
Henley -> Henley and Thame
Mid Berkshire -> Reading West and Mid Berkshire
Reading -> Reading Central
Milton Keynes South -> Milton Keynes Central
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Post by Foggy on Jun 28, 2023 12:24:09 GMT
Henley -> Henley and Thame Mid Berkshire -> Reading West and Mid BerkshireReading -> Reading Central Milton Keynes South -> Milton Keynes Central Make it stop!  |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 28, 2023 15:00:36 GMT
Henley -> Henley and Thame Mid Berkshire -> Reading West and Mid BerkshireReading -> Reading Central Milton Keynes South -> Milton Keynes Central Make it stop! No worse than the previous "name", though even clumsier. But why didn't they also rename the eastern Reading seat while they were at it, I can't bring myself to look at the reports atm. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 6, 2023 21:22:02 GMT
The South East region increases from 84 to 91 constituencies. 15 constituencies are unchanged: Crawley, East Worthing and Shoreham, Gillingham and Rainham, Gosport, Gravesham, Havant, Hove and Portslade (formerly Hove), New Forest East, New Forest West, Portsmouth North, Portsmouth South, Southampton Itchen, Southampton Test, Spelthorne, Tunbridge Wells One current constituency is not the base for any new constituency - Meon Valley. There are eight current constituencies which are the base for two new constituencies: * Ashford is 77.6% of the new Ashford and 46.5% of Weald of Kent * Banbury is 79.0% of the new Banbury and 50.2% of Bicester and Woodstock * Fareham is 55.2% of Fareham and Waterlooville, and 47.2% of Hamble Valley * Isle of Wight is divided into Isle of Wight East (50.8%) and Isle of Wight West (49.2%) * Milton Keynes South is 55.6% of Buckingham and Bletchley, and 56.5% of Milton Keynes Central * South West Surrey is 64.2% of Farnham and Bordon, and 45.5% of Godalming and Ash * Wokingham is 42.3% of Earley and Woodley and 59.5% of the new Wokingham. The Index of Change for all altered constituencies is: | Constituemcy | Index of Change | | Dover and Deal CC | 0.8 | | Brighton Pavilion BC | 1.5 | | Brighton Kemptown and Peacehaven BC | 1.6 | | Canterbury CC | 5.7 | | Woking BC | 5.9 | | Aldershot BC | 6.6 | | Hastings and Rye CC | 7.7 | | Beaconsfield CC | 7.9 | | Eastbourne BC | 8.0 | | Sittingbourne and Sheppey CC | 8.4 | | Henley and Thame CC | 8.5 | | Oxford East BC | 8.6 | | Wycombe CC | 10.3 | | Slough BC | 10.6 | | Rochester and Strood CC | 12.5 | | Dartford CC | 13.2 | | Newbury CC | 14.4 | | Sevenoaks CC | 14.9 | | Folkestone and Hythe CC | 20.9 | | Basingstoke BC | 21.1 | | Faversham and Mid Kent CC | 21.4 | | Romsey and Southampton North CC | 21.7 | | Horsham CC | 21.7 | | North East Hampshire CC | 21.9 | | Esher and Walton BC | 22.0 | | Didcot and Wantage CC | 23.8 | | Surrey Heath CC | 24.2 | | Chatham and Aylesford CC | 25.1 | | Worthing West CC | 25.5 | | Epsom and Ewell BC | 25.7 | | Bexhill and Battle CC | 26.1 | | Bracknell BC | 26.4 | | Lewes CC | 27.6 | | Bognor Regis and Littlehampton BC | 29.8 | | Reigate CC | 30.4 | | North West Hampshire CC | 30.7 | | Oxford West and Abingdon CC | 31.1 | | East Surrey CC | 31.3 | | Tonbridge CC | 31.9 | | East Thanet BC | 33.5 | | Chesham and Amersham CC | 36.0 | | Chichester CC | 38.2 | | Runnymede and Weybridge CC | 38.6 | | Herne Bay and Sandwich CC | 38.6 | | Sussex Weald CC | 43.3 | | Guildford CC | 45.1 | | Mid Sussex CC | 45.4 | | Maidenhead CC | 46.8 | | Winchester CC | 47.3 | | Isle of Wight East CC | 49.2 | | Milton Keynes North CC | 49.8 | | Isle of Wight West CC | 50.8 | | Aylesbury CC | 54.2 | | Ashford CC | 54.7 | | Banbury CC | 55.2 | | Windsor CC | 55.8 | | Arundel and South Downs CC | 57.8 | | Reading Central BC | 58.3 | | East Hampshire CC | 58.9 | | Witney CC | 59.0 | | Maidstone and Malling CC | 66.7 | | Dorking and Horley CC | 67.0 | | Eastleigh BC | 67.9 | | Reading West and Mid Berkshire CC | 69.0 | | Farnham and Bordon CC | 74.0 | | Wokingham CC | 83.8 | | Milton Keynes Central BC | 89.7 | | Fareham and Waterlooville CC | 89.9 | | Buckingham and Bletchley CC | 91.5 | | Bicester and Woodstock CC | 99.8 | | Hamble Valley CC | 105.4 | | Weald of Kent CC | 105.4 | | Godalming and Ash CC | 108.1 | | Mid Buckinghamshire CC | 110.6 | | Earley and Woodley BC | 114.1 | | East Grinstead and Uckfield CC | 124.4 |
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