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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 12:31:03 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace.
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 8, 2022 12:39:43 GMT
I'm not sure Kidlington is more significant. It's clearly more populous, but is an overgrown village which lacks much of a clear identity. Woodstock, by contrast, is far more historically important and has also lent its name to a constituency in the past (which was similar to the proposed seat but additionally included areas like Witney). And Woodstock has three days of peace and music.  but half a million strong would be outside 5% tolerance |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 8, 2022 12:42:12 GMT
And Woodstock has three days of peace and music. but half a million strong would be outside 5% tolerance We've got to get ourselves back to the boundaries |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 8, 2022 12:42:43 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. And the Inspector Morse novel "Last Bus to Woodstock". |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 8, 2022 12:49:01 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. I think it's best known because of an Inspector Morse book and episode... |
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on Nov 8, 2022 12:49:03 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. Don't underestimate the internationally renowned Bicester Village shopping outlet. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 8, 2022 12:50:24 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. Don't underestimate the internationally renowned Bicester Village shopping outlet. One of the UK's top visitor attractions for the Chinese apparently. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 12:56:24 GMT
Don't underestimate the internationally renowned Bicester Village shopping outlet. One of the UK's top visitor attractions for the Chinese apparently. And some people think the Chinese are the pinnacle of culture… |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2022 13:29:13 GMT
The changes in West Sussex are substantial. There's a much less rural Chichester. I'm not sure that Labour will like the way Worthing has been carved... Labour seems to have been rather silent in the exercise in this area, with a lot of Tory voices. If you look at the submissions by both Labour and the Conservatives, they both supported a Worthing Constituency, with slightly different configurations. The latest proposals therefore come as a bit of a shock. The commission seems to have valued protecting the rural nature of Arundel and South Downs at the expense of one of the county's large towns. That Worthing was ever split up was a historic wrong, and the commission really should have stuck to their guns and re-formed a Worthing Constituency. It's really a lesson about corralling all your local parties (and as many activists who are interested in the thing) in a local area as possible re. doing submissions. Granted that in West Sussex, Labour's representatives are pretty far flung from each other, but if you have people put in agreement with the position even in areas of the county that they don't cover it has weight as well. It's also about how badly you want to keep something that has been proposed (in this case entire Worthing), you've got to get people who support that out with the direct area but who live in an area that would 'benefit' from an alternative scheme to say how bad the alternative is. Labour appear to have done this very badly across the south with a combination of bonkers proposals (see Berks/Hants, looks nice on a map but utterly untenable in the real world) and far too little to support good, sensible things like whole Worthing. Interestingly the West Sussex map is now ideal for us, having Mid Sussex and Horsham stay as originally proposed and Chichester becoming unexpectedly considerably geographically tighter couldn't have worked out better. I don't expect us to necessarily take any of them next time but they're just about as ideal seats as you could ask for in the county for the Lib Dems. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 8, 2022 13:40:20 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. Bicester & Blenheim would have been hilarious but does roll off the tongue well. |
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Post by therealriga on Nov 8, 2022 15:43:19 GMT
I'm not sure Kidlington is more significant. It's clearly more populous, but is an overgrown village which lacks much of a clear identity. Woodstock, by contrast, is far more historically important and has also lent its name to a constituency in the past (which was similar to the proposed seat but additionally included areas like Witney). And Woodstock has three days of peace and music. Probably one for the Amazing Stupidity and Ignorance thread but there was a time when the internet was not so well developed and I had a lot of geographical knowledge due to both following non-league football and my burgeoning interest in psephology. For part of that time I did wonder why such a hugely famous music festival had been held in an obscure Oxfordshire town. Anyway, thanks for explanations, it's not a part of Britain I know so well. I'd have just called it Bicester, since that seems substantial enough in its own right. |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 8, 2022 15:57:19 GMT
Tip of my hat to Pete Whitehead - if the Windsor constituency has to cross counties, his proposal of Englefield Green and Virginia Water rather than Egham is certainly much more acceptable! That is almost as gronktangular as the initial proposals, because - despite drastically swapping stuff around in the area of Windsor & Runneymede, they have still left Egham and Englefield Green (the community around Royal Holloway College) split apart from each other. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 8, 2022 16:16:12 GMT
Tip of my hat to Pete Whitehead - if the Windsor constituency has to cross counties, his proposal of Englefield Green and Virginia Water rather than Egham is certainly much more acceptable! That is almost as gronktangular as the initial proposals, because - despite drastically swapping stuff around in the area of Windsor & Runneymede, they have still left Egham and Englefield Green (the community around Royal Holloway College) split apart from each other. I agree its sub-optimal but sometimes in the submissions for revised proposals its best to work substantially with the initial proposals and suggest minor changes which are therefore more likely to be adopted - almost as gronktangular is better than as gronktangular in other words. Given absolute power over the boundaries there would have been no crossing of the boundary between Surrey and Berkshire at all. The numbers in Berkshire were very tight and problematic - you may not have been involved in the sometimes quite bitter discussions which took place in this forum about that. |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 8, 2022 17:04:24 GMT
That is almost as gronktangular as the initial proposals, because - despite drastically swapping stuff around in the area of Windsor & Runneymede, they have still left Egham and Englefield Green (the community around Royal Holloway College) split apart from each other. I agree its sub-optimal but sometimes in the submissions for revised proposals its best to work substantially with the initial proposals and suggest minor changes which are therefore more likely to be adopted - almost as gronktangular is better than as gronktangular in other words. Given absolute power over the boundaries there would have been no crossing of the boundary between Surrey and Berkshire at all. The numbers in Berkshire were very tight and problematic - you may not have been involved in the sometimes quite bitter discussions which took place in this forum about that. I thought so. I commented to the Boundary Commission that Egham & Englefield Green should be together, but apart from that I wrote that the details of how should be left to others with local knowledge. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2022 18:49:02 GMT
Woodstock is also surely better known to outsiders (like myself) because of Blenheim Palace. I think it's best known because of an Inspector Morse book and episode... Am I really the only one here who thinks of the Peanuts character, Snoopy's little yellow friend, before any of the other possible meanings of 'Woodstock' mentioned thus far? |
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Post by YL on Nov 8, 2022 21:46:27 GMT
I agree its sub-optimal but sometimes in the submissions for revised proposals its best to work substantially with the initial proposals and suggest minor changes which are therefore more likely to be adopted - almost as gronktangular is better than as gronktangular in other words. Given absolute power over the boundaries there would have been no crossing of the boundary between Surrey and Berkshire at all. The numbers in Berkshire were very tight and problematic - you may not have been involved in the sometimes quite bitter discussions which took place in this forum about that. I thought so. I commented to the Boundary Commission that Egham & Englefield Green should be together, but apart from that I wrote that the details of how should be left to others with local knowledge. At one point I tried to work out a plan which moved both Egham and Englefield Green into Windsor, but I didn't manage to convince myself I'd made Hampshire and Surrey work. It had a Farnham & Fleet cross-border seat. TBH I think the BCE decided to avoid a bad county boundary crossing ("Silchester") and ended up with another bad county boundary crossing, together with another less bad one. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 8, 2022 21:49:27 GMT
Silchester wasn't bad..
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Post by islington on Nov 8, 2022 22:38:18 GMT
Do you really want to start all that again? |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2022 22:42:16 GMT
See above. On a map, looks ok. In reality, awful... And as far as Hampshire's concerned, Whitehill & Borden etc. with Farnham makes a lot more sense. |
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on Nov 9, 2022 11:44:10 GMT
I'm pleased that the commission has moved the Stanford ward back into Didcot & Wantage, meaning that the Uffington White Horse will remain in the constituency, although it has made the Witney seat an even stranger shape. I was also thinking of a possible alternative name for the latter: Witney & Faringdon, West Oxfordshire (might cause confusion due to the local authority), Upper Thames Valley (it's not great, I know).
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