Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Mar 10, 2022 10:44:52 GMT
In both its old and new forms, Nechells has always been one of the more splittable wards in Brum. Agree there, as an area it doesn't have an overall coherence. It contains the Aston University and Matthew Boulton College campuses, its southern part is split from the rest by the Nechells Parkway, and in the middle is an area dominated by industry. |
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iang
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Post by iang on Mar 10, 2022 13:36:04 GMT
I think the best thing to say about Sandwell is that it is inchoate, it is made of several different communities - some of which have been historic rivals and some of which are split across boroughs - which isn't quite so true of Dudley. The classic example is Great Barr which is split across Birmingham, Sandwell and to a lesser extent Walsall. Great Barr could be the core of a seat, but combining 3 Mets. Nah. There's also the dimension of ethnicity - Dudley is pretty white - especially the two Kingswinfords, Wordsley, Norton and, of course, Gornal. Ok, there's bits of Dudley and a few other places, but overall Sandwell has a much larger BAME population, especially in West Brom and Smethwick which probably have several majority minority wards by now. This has changed the way Sandwell hangs together from how it used to hang together in the 80's, never mind the Muslin/Sikh relationship within some of those wards. Smethwick; Smethwick, St Paul's, Soho & Victoria Warley: Langley, Bristnall, Old Warley Rowley: Rowley, Blackheath Great Barr: Newton, Great Barr, Charlemont & Grove Vale West Brom: West Brom Central, Greets Green and Lyng, Hateley Heath. Wednesbury: Wednesbury N & S Tipton : Tipton Green, Princes End, Great Bridge The Wednesbury & Tipton clusters sort of hold together, Wednesbury would probably be more comfortable with Darlo or Bilston. The Warley and Rowley clusters also hold together reasonably well. Friar Park - historically part of West Brom, has been associated more with Wednesbury since Sandwell was formed, feels and looks a lot more like Wednesbury Tividale - historically part of Tipton, but also has attachments to Oldbury, Oakham up on the ridge line feels much more like part of Dudley. Contains Tividale Quays - which was a very brave regeneration of Dudley Port. Abbey - aka Bearwood is really part of Groß Birmingham and would fit in an Edgbaston seat easily, but for a Sandwell seat is more Warley than Smevvick. Cradley Heath and Old Hill - best with the other part of Cradley, although they will fight to the death about the differences between them, Ode Hill looks towards Halesowen more than Oldbury Oldbury - Chemical Town - therefore strange in the metal bashing Black Country, was once part of Halesowen and therefore of Shropshire. Used to fit well with the Warley group, not so much now apart from being more middle class. The far north of the ward belongs with Tipton, the central section is really part of Tivvy, it's an odd set of ward boundaries. Tipton, Darlo and Wednesbury - now there's a seat Nick Griffin would have loved. Friar Park was always part of the Wednesbury township rather than West Brom (though that was partly because WB was already six wards, as it included Great Barr> Back in the day, we would have loved a Parliamentary seat that centred around the Scott Arms |
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 10, 2022 14:31:32 GMT
Friar Park - historically part of West Brom, has been associated more with Wednesbury since Sandwell was formed, feels and looks a lot more like Wednesbury Friar Park was always part of the Wednesbury township rather than West Brom (though that was partly because WB was already six wards, as it included Great Barr> Back in the day, we would have loved a Parliamentary seat that centred around the Scott Arms I bet we would have. With Friar Park I was talking pre-74, Friar Park was part of the old West Bromwich County Borough and became its own separate ward in 1953. |
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Post by islington on Apr 3, 2022 21:12:24 GMT
West Mids now in: BCE-94673. I stuck to my resolve to leave Staffs and the Black Country alone so the submission confines itself to Brum, Warwks and Solihull and it bangs the drum for the basic approach adopted by safc26 in submission BCE-80763. It does, however, offer alternatives in respect of some of the specific constituencies. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 7, 2022 23:36:06 GMT
Looking just at the conurbation, not much change on the initial proposals. Coventry and Solihull are unchanged as are all the constituencies covering Dudley and Wolverhampton. In Birmingham the only change is the exchange of terrotory between Erdington and Perry Barr - Aston, Lozells and part of Stockland Green move from Erdington to Perry Barr with Kingstanding and Oscott moving the other way.
The two Walsall seats change from a North South division to East West with a revived and expanded Aldridge Brownhills and a Walsall & Bloxwich.
For some reason they have also reconfigured the West Bromwich and Tipton & Wednesbury seats with the latter taking Friar Park and Hateley Heath from West Bromwich and that seat now going all the way out to Rowley regis. Bizarre..
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 7, 2022 23:43:27 GMT
That can't stand. Its a ridiculous arrangement. But then previously they had Rowley regis in with Smethwick which wasn't much better. They've replaced that with St Pauls which is an obvious improvement. I'd suggest they reconfigure the other two seats by putting the two Wednesbury wards (plus HH and FP) in with West Brom and put GG&L, Oldbury, Tividale and Rowley in with the Tipton wards and Coseley: West Bromwich & Wednesbury as one seat and our old friend Rowley Regis & Tipton as the other
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Post by mattb on Nov 7, 2022 23:53:43 GMT
That can't stand. Its a ridiculous arrangement. But then previously they had Rowley regis in with Smethwick which wasn't much better. They've replaced that with St Pauls which is an obvious improvement. I'd suggest they reconfigure the other two seats by putting the two Wednesbury wards (plus HH and FP) in with West Brom and put GG&L, Oldbury, Tividale and Rowley in with the Tipton wards and Coseley: West Bromwich & Wednesbury as one seat and our old friend Rowley Regis & Tipton as the other But they've convinced themselves they can't split Greets Green/Lyng from the rest of W Brom (sadly) |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 8, 2022 14:10:15 GMT
Urban West Midlands and the Potteries (these last unchanged) are still a mess, which is unfortunate.
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 8, 2022 14:14:13 GMT
Urban West Midlands and the Potteries (these last unchanged) are still a mess, which is unfortunate. This is the parliamentary boundaries subboard sir, not the urban planning subboard. |
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Foggy
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2022 18:59:47 GMT
Stone and Great Wyrley seems to be the Commission's version of the 'West Staffs ribbon' that felt almost inevitable if you want to keep Cannock Chase whole and tidy.
Elsewhere, ward splits in Lichfield and Smethwick somewhat surprising, those in Brum less so. Few more bits of dodgy naming (as everywhere) but not too bad overall.
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 8, 2022 19:10:52 GMT
West Midlands virtually unchanged. I think the new Walsall arrangement is an improvement. Sandwell may be marginally better. I continue to hate what they’ve done to Birmingham and Solihull, which remains largely unchanged because the political parties supported it, although the ward split in Stockland Green is an improvement. Agree that Warwickshire would have been better rearranged to match local authority boundaries. The Commission did fly that kite in the original proposals, but no-one seemed interested.
Staffordshire is a mess, but as we found there is no way of avoiding a mess.
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Post by greenhert on Nov 8, 2022 19:53:50 GMT
Stone and Great Wyrley seems to be the Commission's version of the 'West Staffs ribbon' that felt almost inevitable if you want to keep Cannock Chase whole and tidy. Elsewhere, ward splits in Lichfield and Smethwick somewhat surprising, those in Brum less so. Few more bits of dodgy naming (as everywhere) but not too bad overall. Staffordshire never needed any ward splits; its wards are too small to necessitate splits. It is the Metropolitan Borough of Dudley where the ward splits were really required. |
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Rural Radical
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Post by Rural Radical on Dec 30, 2022 9:32:05 GMT
Here's a first draft of Shropshire. North Shropshire (77,052) Loses Hosnet and Cheswardine to The Wrekin Shrewsbury (75,139) Loses Burnell and Severn Valley to Ludlow (thus losing the "and Atcham" part of the name)
The Wrekin (76,143) Gains Hosnet and Cheswardine from North Shropshire Loses part of Oakengates and Ketley Bank to Telford (ward currently split)
Telford (70,768) Gains part of Oakengates and Ketley Bank from The Wrekin (ward currently split)
Ludlow (77,034) Gains Burnell and Severn Valley from Shrewsbury and Atcham North Shropshire is losing 2 very strong Conservative Divisions. This probably takes 4K of the Conservative General Election vote |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 28, 2023 10:53:39 GMT
Perry Bar now has a panhandle. Stretches up to Sutton again, and all of Erdington is now in the Erdington seat
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 28, 2023 10:53:54 GMT
Perry Bar now has a panhandle. Stretches up to Sutton again, and all of Erdington is now in the Erdington seat
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 28, 2023 10:56:46 GMT
There's also the move of Radford Semele ward, out of Kenilworth and Southam and into Warwick and Leamington. It makes more sense on the ground than it does on the map.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 28, 2023 12:08:21 GMT
7 renamings
Bedworth and North Warwickshire -> North Warwickshire and Bedworth
Birmingham Hall Green -> Birmingham Hall Green and Moseley
Birmingham Hodge Hill -> Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North
Burton -> Burton and Uttoxeter
Meriden -> Meriden and Solihull East
Solihull -> Solihull West and Shirley
Stone and Great Wyrley -> Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge
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Post by islington on Jun 28, 2023 12:22:18 GMT
7 renamings Bedworth and North Warwickshire -> North Warwickshire and Bedworth Birmingham Hall Green -> Birmingham Hall Green and Moseley Birmingham Hodge Hill -> Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North Burton -> Burton and Uttoxeter Meriden -> Meriden and Solihull East Solihull -> Solihull West and Shirley Stone and Great Wyrley -> Stone, Great Wyrley and Penkridge I have a theory that the BCE is being paid by the word. |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Jun 28, 2023 13:11:12 GMT
Birmingham Hodge Hill -> Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North Psychotic |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 28, 2023 13:17:09 GMT
Birmingham Hodge Hill -> Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North Psychotic If they really felt the need to acknowledge the Solihull bit, then it should have been Birmingham Hodge Hill and Castle Bromwich. |
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