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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2021 15:17:09 GMT
I really don't agree actually. Both the College Park & Old Oak and Wormholt wards contain part of the area considered locally to be Acton so I would actually argue this is the best place to cross the Ealing boundary. I would probably call the constituency 'Ealing Acton' though. This is certainly better than pairing them with Kensington with which they are poorly connected. Remember the Ealing-H&F pairing also has precedent in the form of the Ealing, Acton and Shepard's Bush seat that existed from 1997-2010. Walpole returning to Ealing Southall is also just a reversion to before the last set of boundary changes. Honestly the Ealing area is probably my favourite part of the Commission's plan in North London (perhaps at least in part because I independently came up with the same thing ). I agree with Pepperminttea. The severance between White City/W12 and North Kensington by the West London Line is really bad on the ground. The only crossing points for pedestrians are way up at North Pole Road or on the south side of Harrow Road or on the south side of the Grand Union Canal. In a vehicle you can cross the railway via the Westway flyover but can’t get back to ground level until you have reached City of Westminster. On the tube you can cross between Wood Lane and Latimer Road. It doesn’t make for a good pairing at all. I agree about the unsatisfactory nature of the N Ken / White City link, which is one of the reasons why the plan shown below still represents my recommendation in this area. Also, it's one fewer cross-borough seat. The main problem with it, compared with the other plan, is that it cuts very close to Hammersmith town centre - nevertheless, it's better overall in my view. (You could ameliorate the Hammersmith problem by hiving off the western part of Brook Green ward provided you were careful not to take more than 1890 electors. But I'm uneasy about using ward splits for this kind of fine-tuning, although other posters might be more comfortable with it.)
Regarding Ealing, I'm afraid I have to disagree with pepperminttea . Getting rid of the former boundary through Ealing town centre was a very positive feature of the last review, so we certainly shouldn't reinstate it.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 15, 2021 18:05:44 GMT
A split ward solution to the Wood Green problem. It had always been my preference to put Stroud Green in Tottenham rather than Noel Park (as although the park and railway line act as something of a physical barrier there seems to be a good community of interest between that area, the Harringay ladder, the Manor House area of Hackney and so on) but the numbers didn't allow it. Removing the SG1 polling district takes out enough voters to enable the numbers to work (and that area is closer to Hornsey proper so probably belongs better in that seat). It's a shame to introduce another split ward but I know islington is a convert to these now so may support it in this area and in any case my plan would compensate for this by removing the quite unnecessary ward split in Havering
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Post by pepperminttea on Jun 15, 2021 19:36:32 GMT
I agree with Pepperminttea. The severance between White City/W12 and North Kensington by the West London Line is really bad on the ground. The only crossing points for pedestrians are way up at North Pole Road or on the south side of Harrow Road or on the south side of the Grand Union Canal. In a vehicle you can cross the railway via the Westway flyover but can’t get back to ground level until you have reached City of Westminster. On the tube you can cross between Wood Lane and Latimer Road. It doesn’t make for a good pairing at all. I agree about the unsatisfactory nature of the N Ken / White City link, which is one of the reasons why the plan shown below still represents my recommendation in this area. Also, it's one fewer cross-borough seat. The main problem with it, compared with the other plan, is that it cuts very close to Hammersmith town centre - nevertheless, it's better overall in my view. (You could ameliorate the Hammersmith problem by hiving off the western part of Brook Green ward provided you were careful not to take more than 1890 electors. But I'm uneasy about using ward splits for this kind of fine-tuning, although other posters might be more comfortable with it.)
Regarding Ealing, I'm afraid I have to disagree with pepperminttea . Getting rid of the former boundary through Ealing town centre was a very positive feature of the last review, so we certainly shouldn't reinstate it. That is better than what was in the previous picture. But instead of a terrible constituency, you've got 3 sub-par ones (I hope you don't mind my criticism I actually generally think you are a very good map-maker). The bite out of Kensington & Chelsea looks weird and would likely face significant opposition and in ensuring Walpole is kept with Ealing you've totally broken up Hammersmith, which I don't think is a worthwhile sacrifice as Ealing proper is still split anyway due to the continued exclusion of Northfields. Plus Walpole had been in Southall since 1974 so it's hardly a stranger there. Also the last set of boundary changes in Ealing left Northfields totally isolated from the rest of Ealing proper and there is likely to be heavy local push to ensure that doesn't happen again. Honestly people in this area aren't going to be happy unless there is a united Ealing Central constituency proposed (sans Acton) but at least with returning Walpole you can at least make the argument that Northfields isn't totally isolated anymore, or has to suffer the indignity of being outside the Ealing Central constituency (provided the commission is smart enough to call them Ealing Acton and Ealing Southall as per my suggestion). Interestingly I had a go at drawing North-West London if Ealing proper (shown below, including Hanwell) was a sacrosanct unit that shouldn't be split: Honestly the map actually turns out pretty well as long as you don't mind 2 ward splits, one in H&F and one in Brent (this area being very difficult due to being close to quota), and a three borough, but nevertheless demographically coherent, constituency. I have honestly come round to the view that in urban areas ward splits should be used fairly liberally in order to avoid horrible/sub-par constituencies (though I'm not going to lie I still prefer my no ward split go at this area):
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Post by pepperminttea on Jun 15, 2021 20:11:56 GMT
A split ward solution to the Wood Green problem. It had always been my preference to put Stroud Green in Tottenham rather than Noel Park (as although the park and railway line act as something of a physical barrier there seems to be a good community of interest between that area, the Harringay ladder, the Manor House area of Hackney and so on) but the numbers didn't allow it. Removing the SG1 polling district takes out enough voters to enable the numbers to work (and that area is closer to Hornsey proper so probably belongs better in that seat). It's a shame to introduce another split ward but I know islington is a convert to these now so may support it in this area and in any case my plan would compensate for this by removing the quite unnecessary ward split in Havering I agree a ward split is needed if the split of Wood Green is to be avoided. However I think it's better than the split be in Enfield. Keep a united Tottenham, draw Wood Green in with Southgate, extend Edmonton north to cover the east of the borough and have a united Enfield constituency with Carterhatch being the split ward between the final two. This may mess up the rest of this plan though as there'd be no need for any Barnet crosses. I also don't think that split of Chelsea that the commission proposed is at all viable. You'd be better off with a three borough seat in the north IMHO. I do like the Brent-Harrow part of this plan though .
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 15, 2021 21:10:58 GMT
I agree about the unsatisfactory nature of the N Ken / White City link, which is one of the reasons why the plan shown below still represents my recommendation in this area. Also, it's one fewer cross-borough seat. The main problem with it, compared with the other plan, is that it cuts very close to Hammersmith town centre - nevertheless, it's better overall in my view. (You could ameliorate the Hammersmith problem by hiving off the western part of Brook Green ward provided you were careful not to take more than 1890 electors. But I'm uneasy about using ward splits for this kind of fine-tuning, although other posters might be more comfortable with it.)
Regarding Ealing, I'm afraid I have to disagree with pepperminttea . Getting rid of the former boundary through Ealing town centre was a very positive feature of the last review, so we certainly shouldn't reinstate it. That is better than what was in the previous picture. But instead of a terrible constituency, you've got 3 sub-par ones (I hope you don't mind my criticism I actually generally think you are a very good map-maker). The bite out of Kensington & Chelsea looks weird and would likely face significant opposition and in ensuring Walpole is kept with Ealing you've totally broken up Hammersmith, which I don't think is a worthwhile sacrifice as Ealing proper is still split anyway due to the continued exclusion of Northfields. Plus Walpole had been in Southall since 1974 so it's hardly a stranger there. Also the last set of boundary changes in Ealing left Northfields totally isolated from the rest of Ealing proper and there is likely to be heavy local push to ensure that doesn't happen again. Honestly people in this area aren't going to be happy unless there is a united Ealing Central constituency proposed (sans Acton) but at least with returning Walpole you can at least make the argument that Northfields isn't totally isolated anymore, or has to suffer the indignity of being outside the Ealing Central constituency (provided the commission is smart enough to call them Ealing Acton and Ealing Southall as per my suggestion). Interestingly I had a go at drawing North-West London if Ealing proper (shown below, including Hanwell) was a sacrosanct unit that shouldn't be split: Honestly the map actually turns out pretty well as long as you don't mind 2 ward splits, one in H&F and one in Brent (this area being very difficult due to being close to quota), and a three borough, but nevertheless demographically coherent, constituency. I have honestly come round to the view that in urban areas ward splits should be used fairly liberally in order to avoid horrible/sub-par constituencies (though I'm not going to lie I still prefer my no ward split go at this area): Pepperminttea I totally agree with you in relation to it not being a good idea to take a bite out of RBKC and that Ealing residents will never be happy until there is an Ealing Central seat. I increasingly think crossing the Ealing/H&F boundary is likely to be necessary on a strategic level to get a pattern of seats that enough people north of the Thames are happy with. If the odd ward split opens up entirely new possibilities then we should consider it, providing the split is along some obvious physical feature. I don’t like the idea of a wiggly line through a housing estate like the LGBCE sometimes do, where there is very little logic as to why a property should have fallen on a particular side of the line. Which are your two ward splits and how many electors go into which seats? Which is your three borough seat?
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Post by pepperminttea on Jun 15, 2021 23:04:56 GMT
That is better than what was in the previous picture. But instead of a terrible constituency, you've got 3 sub-par ones (I hope you don't mind my criticism I actually generally think you are a very good map-maker). The bite out of Kensington & Chelsea looks weird and would likely face significant opposition and in ensuring Walpole is kept with Ealing you've totally broken up Hammersmith, which I don't think is a worthwhile sacrifice as Ealing proper is still split anyway due to the continued exclusion of Northfields. Plus Walpole had been in Southall since 1974 so it's hardly a stranger there. Also the last set of boundary changes in Ealing left Northfields totally isolated from the rest of Ealing proper and there is likely to be heavy local push to ensure that doesn't happen again. Honestly people in this area aren't going to be happy unless there is a united Ealing Central constituency proposed (sans Acton) but at least with returning Walpole you can at least make the argument that Northfields isn't totally isolated anymore, or has to suffer the indignity of being outside the Ealing Central constituency (provided the commission is smart enough to call them Ealing Acton and Ealing Southall as per my suggestion). Interestingly I had a go at drawing North-West London if Ealing proper (shown below, including Hanwell) was a sacrosanct unit that shouldn't be split: Honestly the map actually turns out pretty well as long as you don't mind 2 ward splits, one in H&F and one in Brent (this area being very difficult due to being close to quota), and a three borough, but nevertheless demographically coherent, constituency. I have honestly come round to the view that in urban areas ward splits should be used fairly liberally in order to avoid horrible/sub-par constituencies (though I'm not going to lie I still prefer my no ward split go at this area): a Pepperminttea I totally agree with you in relation to it not being a good idea to take a bite out of RBKC and that Ealing residents will never be happy until there is an Ealing Central seat. I increasingly think crossing the Ealing/H&F boundary is likely to be necessary on a strategic level to get a pattern of seats that enough people north of the Thames are happy with. If the odd ward split opens up entirely new possibilities then we should consider it, providing the split is along some obvious physical feature. I don’t like the idea of a wiggly line through a housing estate like the LGBCE sometimes do, where there is very little logic as to why a property should have fallen on a particular side of the line. Which are your two ward splits and how many electors go into which seats? Which is your three borough seat? You have a few options for what the split wards could be but I went with Brook Green so that Acton can take the excess from Hammersmith & Fulham, and Queens Park (Brent) where I'd give the Western/Northern polling districts around both the Kensal Green and Kensal Rise tube stations to Willesden. I don't know where to get up to date polling district numbers but the polling districts look to me to be the right size. The three borough seats is that Queens Park/Paddington/Ladbroke Grove seat in purple. It's mostly in Westminster but also has two K&C wards and two (or nearly 2 considering the ward split) Brent wards. You can avoid this three borough seat by bisecting Chelsea like the commission wants but I really didn't want to do this as Chelsea is a very iconic London location that has always been in one constituency. And yes 100% concur re. Ealing. One of my best friends lives in Northfields and tells me people are incensed at being in the Southall constituency. Unless the commission proposes something like my previous post expect a deluge of negative comments from this area regardless of whether Walpole is moved or not. If anything Walpole also in Ealing Southall (and yes they will have to restore Ealing to the name) is better than not, as then Northfields isn't completely alone and isolated. The Ealing-H&F border is a good one to cross as what people see as Acton extends into H&F (East Acton tube station is in the borough for example) and I'd actually argue that a consolidated Ealing Central constituency alongside an Acton & Shepard's Bush and returned Hammersmith & Fulham is actually the 'ideal' arrangement for this area, despite it requiring a ward split to achieve (I'll let others judge the knock on effects).
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Post by pepperminttea on Jun 18, 2021 11:33:20 GMT
I've had another look at North-West London (which seems to be a problem area due to tight electorate figures). This is what I've come up with. There is a three borough 'Acton & Chiswick' seat that isn't ideal and Southall is split between a Hayes constituency and a Greenford constituency. There are no split wards and the second of these maps (which differs minorly from the first) the City's pairing with Islington is averted. Plan maintaining the Islington-City link: Plan keeping the City with parts of Westminster (and now Chelsea too): For reference this was my original plan for this area: I'd be very interested to hear all of your thoughts. As I said above, this is a very tricky area with no 'perfect' solutions just 'least bad' ones.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 18, 2021 11:36:20 GMT
I think your original plan is much better. I do like the Ealing Central thing though - an alternative to the three boroughs thing is an Acton, Brentford & Chiswick seat which I think works on the numbers but I havent worked the implications elsewhere. I suspect it ends up splitting Southall which is a bad idea but your plans do that anyway
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Post by pepperminttea on Jun 18, 2021 12:03:32 GMT
I think your original plan is much better. I do like the Ealing Central thing though - an alternative to the three boroughs thing is an Acton, Brentford & Chiswick seat which I think works on the numbers but I havent worked the implications elsewhere. I suspect it ends up splitting Southall which is a bad idea but your plans do that anyway The Ealing Central constituency was actually my starting point as that is the 'perfect' constituency in that area. The current boundaries in Ealing aren't great as Northfields is basically an orphan ward tagged on to Southall, one of my best friends lives in that ward and as you can expect the people there are less than thrilled by that state of affairs. I prefer my original plan too though apparently the Islington-City link is going to upset people (even though I don't really think it should) but I was actually quite surprised and pleased that I could find a not totally-horrible solution, without ward splitting, for this area that avoids this cross. I'm totally sold on the Barnet-Camden boundaries posted previously (Childs Hill going to Hampstead, Hendon covering the west of the borough, Chipping Barnet swapping Friern Barnet and Brunswick Park for Mill Hill and Edgwarebury etc.) as well as on avoiding crossing the Thames, so these boroughs basically have to be a complete unit in any of my plans, though the numbers are on the large side making non-terrible solutions somewhat elusive. Brentford-Acton-Chiswick is unfortunately a tad too large as Syon & Brentford Lock would have to be excluded in order to make the numbers work. A ward split removing the area of that ward closer to Isleworth might be an acceptable solution though.
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Post by islington on Jun 18, 2021 17:23:16 GMT
I think your original plan is much better. I do like the Ealing Central thing though - an alternative to the three boroughs thing is an Acton, Brentford & Chiswick seat which I think works on the numbers but I havent worked the implications elsewhere. I suspect it ends up splitting Southall which is a bad idea but your plans do that anyway The Ealing Central constituency was actually my starting point as that is the 'perfect' constituency in that area. The current boundaries in Ealing aren't great as Northfields is basically an orphan ward tagged on to Southall, one of my best friends lives in that ward and as you can expect the people there are less than thrilled by that state of affairs. I prefer my original plan too though apparently the Islington-City link is going to upset people (even though I don't really think it should) but I was actually quite surprised and pleased that I could find a not totally-horrible solution, without ward splitting, for this area that avoids this cross. I'm totally sold on the Barnet-Camden boundaries posted previously (Childs Hill going to Hampstead, Hendon covering the west of the borough, Chipping Barnet swapping Friern Barnet and Brunswick Park for Mill Hill and Edgwarebury etc.) as well as on avoiding crossing the Thames, so these boroughs basically have to be a complete unit in any of my plans, though the numbers are on the large side making non-terrible solutions somewhat elusive. Brentford-Acton-Chiswick is unfortunately a tad too large as Syon & Brentford Lock would have to be excluded in order to make the numbers work. A ward split removing the area of that ward closer to Isleworth might be an acceptable solution though. I tend to agree with Pete Whitehead that your first thoughts were your best thoughts.
Admittedly your Ealing seat is pretty much perfection but the trouble with using a 'perfect' seat as a starting-point is that other seats then have to be shaped around it and almost certainly some of them will not work out at all well. As indeed your plans demonstrate: Hammersmith town is split, Southall is split (and half of it linked to Hayes, thus disturbing another seat that could be left alone), seats sprawl across three boroughs - it's just not worth it for an admittedly excellent Ealing seat.
You're right, though, about the problem with high numbers in this area.
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Post by rcronald on Jul 11, 2021 9:49:36 GMT
This is my attempt at London using the new ward boundaries. I'm reasonably happy with it, but obviously there's quite a few places where the boundaries are highly suboptimal (the consequence of large ward sizes and a very tight quota). In Wandsworth, I made the decision to just split Fairfield ward between Putney and Battersea along Trinity Road as the borough is perfectly fine for 3 seats so it would be a shame to draw it into other boroughs. Plus the knock on effect of taking parts of Lambeth (also fine for three seats) is for me too extreme. 15)Hackney South & Shoreditch (green) -75,186 16)Hackney North & Stoke Newington (pink) - 76,191 17)Islington South & The City (purple) - 75,760 18)Islington North (teal) - 73,970 19)Tottenham South (yellow) - 76,974 20)Muswell Hill (grey) - 74,132 21)Edmonton & Tottenham North (red) - 75,168 22)Enfield North (blue) - 76,824 23)Enfield Southgate (orange) -75,002 24)Holborn & St Pancras (green) - 74,462 25)Hampstead (pink) - 76850 26)Finchley (purple) - 74,345 27)Chipping Barnet (teal) - 76,957 28)Hendon (yellow) - 72,692 29)City of Westminster (grey) - 73,759 30)Kensington (red) - 75980 31)Chelsea & Fulham (blue) - 76,481 32)Queen's Park (orange) - 73,091 33)Willesden (green) - 71,122 34)Wembley (pink) -76,463 35)Harrow East (purple) - 76,299 36)Harrow West (teal) - 74,060 37)Ruislip, Northwood & Pinner (yellow) - 75,700 Your NW London plan a 1000 times better then the commission's!
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Post by YL on Jul 15, 2021 17:04:05 GMT
A response from the BCE to Lewis Baston asking about whether the possibility of split wards in certain London boroughs will be affected by the lack of polling district data:
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Post by rcronald on Jul 15, 2021 19:21:02 GMT
I created a new map for constituencies north of the themes. how can I bring the picture to the thread? (it did not let me copy and paste the picture)
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Post by YL on Jul 15, 2021 19:27:43 GMT
I created a new map for constituencies north of the themes. how can I bring the picture to the thread? (it did not let me copy and paste the picture) You need to upload the picture somewhere else and then link to it here. This forum doesn't have capacity for the number of images which would be posted.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 15, 2021 21:28:13 GMT
I created a new map for constituencies north of the themes. how can I bring the picture to the thread? (it did not let me copy and paste the picture) Depends how many themes.
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Post by rcronald on Jul 16, 2021 6:22:18 GMT
I would call it a combination of Peppermintea's map and the CBE's map with an added personal touch. It also has only one split ward (Whalebone in B&D) which is a split between Ilford S and Barking. 1.Hornchurch and Upminster (Yellow)-71477 2.Romford (Dirty Purple)-71463 3.Dagenham & Rainham (Red)-73532 4.Barking (Blue)-77000 (with Whalebone south of the track) 5.Ilford South (Orange) -77000 (With Whalebone north of the track) 6.Ilford North (Green)-74684 7.Beckton & West Ham (Pink)-70590 8.East Ham (Purple)-70902 9.Stratford & Bow (Teal)-73849 10.Chingford & Woodford Green (Yellow)-75677 11.Leyton & Wanstead (Dirty Purple)-71330 12.Walthamstow (Red)-70867 13.Poplar & Limehouse (Blue)-75814 14.Bethenal Green & Stepney (Orange)-77000 15.Hackney South & Shoreditch (Green)-75186 16.Hackney North & Stoke Newington (Pink)-76191 17.Edmonton & North Tottenham (Purple)-75413 18.Wood Green & South Tottenham (Teal)-76113 19.Hornsey & Muswell Hill (Yellow)-74748 20.City of London & Islington South (Dirty Purple)-75760 21.Islington North (Red)-73970 22.Holborn & St Pancras (Blue)-75084 23.Hampstead (Orange)-76228 24.City of Westminster (Green)-73759 25.Kensington (Pink)-75980 26.Chelsea & Fulham (Purple)-76481 27.Hammersmith & Chiswick (Teal)-74746 28.Queens Park (Yellow)-73091 29.Enfield North (Dirty Purple)-76824 30.Enfield Southgate (Red)-75002 31.Finchley (Blue)-74345 32.Chipping Barnet (Orange)-76957 33.Willesden (Green)-71122 34.Hendon (Pink)-72692 35.Wembley (Purple)-76463 36.Harrow East (Teal)-76299 37.Harrow West (Yellow)-74060 38.Ruslip, Northwood & Pinnar (Dirty Purple)-72168 39.Ealing Acton (Red)-75399 40.Ealing North (Blue)-72985 41.Ealing Southall (Orange)-75085 42.Feltham & Heston (Green)-75226 43.Brentford & Isleworth (Pink)-76354 44.Hayes & Heathrow (Purple)-72897 45.Uxbridge & South Ruislip (Teal)-75042 46.Twickenham (Yellow)-75889
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Post by islington on Jul 16, 2021 8:30:32 GMT
I would call it a combination of Peppermintea's map and the CBE's map with an added personal touch. It also has only one split ward (Whalebone in B&D) which is a split between Ilford S and Barking. 1.Hornchurch and Upminster (Yellow)-71477 2.Romford (Dirty Purple)-71463 3.Dagenham & Rainham (Red)-73532 4.Barking (Blue)-77000 (with Whalebone south of the track) 5.Ilford South (Orange) -77000 (With Whalebone north of the track) 6.Ilford North (Green)-74684 7.Beckton & West Ham (Pink)-70590 8.East Ham (Purple)-70902 9.Stratford & Bow (Teal)-73849 10.Chingford & Woodford Green (Yellow)-75677 11.Leyton & Wanstead (Dirty Purple)-71330 12.Walthamstow (Red)-70867 13.Poplar & Limehouse (Blue)-75814 14.Bethenal Green & Stepney (Orange)-77000 15.Hackney South & Shoreditch (Green)-75186 16.Hackney North & Stoke Newington (Pink)-76191 17.Edmonton & North Tottenham (Purple)-75413 18.Wood Green & South Tottenham (Teal)-76113 19.Hornsey & Muswell Hill (Yellow)-74748 20.City of London & Islington South (Dirty Purple)-75760 21.Islington North (Red)-73970 22.Holborn & St Pancras (Blue)-75084 23.Hampstead (Orange)-76228 24.City of Westminster (Green)-73759 25.Kensington (Pink)-75980 26.Chelsea & Fulham (Purple)-76481 27.Hammersmith & Chiswick (Teal)-74746 28.Queens Park (Yellow)-73091 29.Enfield North (Dirty Purple)-76824 30.Enfield Southgate (Red)-75002 31.Finchley (Blue)-74345 32.Chipping Barnet (Orange)-76957 33.Willesden (Green)-71122 34.Hendon (Pink)-72692 35.Wembley (Purple)-76463 36.Harrow East (Teal)-76299 37.Harrow West (Yellow)-74060 38.Ruslip, Northwood & Pinnar (Dirty Purple)-72168 39.Ealing Acton (Red)-75399 40.Ealing North (Blue)-72985 41.Ealing Southall (Orange)-75085 42.Feltham & Heston (Green)-75226 43.Brentford & Isleworth (Pink)-76354 44.Hayes & Heathrow (Purple)-72897 45.Uxbridge & South Ruislip (Teal)-75042 46.Twickenham (Yellow)-75889 This is far from being a bad plan - certainly better than the BCE's - but: - The two seats involved in your ward split are both very near the upper limit, so you're relying a lot on helpful PD numbers.
- An easy exhange is to swap Harefield and Ruislip Manor wards, improving both seats.
- Your Edmonton/Tottenham is a mess (whereas the BCE's Edmonton is actually quite good).
- While I personally, as a resident of the proposed seat, don't have a particular problem with pairing the City with Islington S, I think there will be huge pressure to maintain the City-Westminster link so you're at risk of pitchforks here, or the City equivalent (a viciously sharpened spreadsheet, perhaps, or worse still you might have the lads of the Crimson Permanent Assurance out for blood).
- You've followed pepperminttea in reinstating the former terrible boundary through Ealing town centre, which we got rid of at the last review.
But still pretty impressive overall, and congrats on working out how to post maps.
Edited to add: Oh, yes, and I'd consider swapping Primrose Hill and Kentish Town S wards so as to keep Kentish Town together and avoid cutting so close to Camden Town.
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Post by rcronald on Jul 16, 2021 9:04:53 GMT
I would call it a combination of Peppermintea's map and the CBE's map with an added personal touch. It also has only one split ward (Whalebone in B&D) which is a split between Ilford S and Barking. 1.Hornchurch and Upminster (Yellow)-71477 2.Romford (Dirty Purple)-71463 3.Dagenham & Rainham (Red)-73532 4.Barking (Blue)-77000 (with Whalebone south of the track) 5.Ilford South (Orange) -77000 (With Whalebone north of the track) 6.Ilford North (Green)-74684 7.Beckton & West Ham (Pink)-70590 8.East Ham (Purple)-70902 9.Stratford & Bow (Teal)-73849 10.Chingford & Woodford Green (Yellow)-75677 11.Leyton & Wanstead (Dirty Purple)-71330 12.Walthamstow (Red)-70867 13.Poplar & Limehouse (Blue)-75814 14.Bethenal Green & Stepney (Orange)-77000 15.Hackney South & Shoreditch (Green)-75186 16.Hackney North & Stoke Newington (Pink)-76191 17.Edmonton & North Tottenham (Purple)-75413 18.Wood Green & South Tottenham (Teal)-76113 19.Hornsey & Muswell Hill (Yellow)-74748 20.City of London & Islington South (Dirty Purple)-75760 21.Islington North (Red)-73970 22.Holborn & St Pancras (Blue)-75084 23.Hampstead (Orange)-76228 24.City of Westminster (Green)-73759 25.Kensington (Pink)-75980 26.Chelsea & Fulham (Purple)-76481 27.Hammersmith & Chiswick (Teal)-74746 28.Queens Park (Yellow)-73091 29.Enfield North (Dirty Purple)-76824 30.Enfield Southgate (Red)-75002 31.Finchley (Blue)-74345 32.Chipping Barnet (Orange)-76957 33.Willesden (Green)-71122 34.Hendon (Pink)-72692 35.Wembley (Purple)-76463 36.Harrow East (Teal)-76299 37.Harrow West (Yellow)-74060 38.Ruslip, Northwood & Pinnar (Dirty Purple)-72168 39.Ealing Acton (Red)-75399 40.Ealing North (Blue)-72985 41.Ealing Southall (Orange)-75085 42.Feltham & Heston (Green)-75226 43.Brentford & Isleworth (Pink)-76354 44.Hayes & Heathrow (Purple)-72897 45.Uxbridge & South Ruislip (Teal)-75042 46.Twickenham (Yellow)-75889 This is far from being a bad plan - certainly better than the BCE's - but: - The two seats involved in your ward split are both very near the upper limit, so you're relying a lot on helpful PD numbers.
- An easy exhange is to swap Harefield and Ruislip Manor wards, improving both seats.
- Your Edmonton/Tottenham is a mess (whereas the BCE's Edmonton is actually quite good).
- While I personally, as a resident of the proposed seat, don't have a particular problem with pairing the City with Islington S, I think there will be huge pressure to maintain the City-Westminster link so you're at risk of pitchforks here, or the City equivalent (a viciously sharpened spreadsheet, perhaps, or worse still you might have the lads of the Crimson Permanent Assurance out for blood).
- You've followed pepperminttea in reinstating the former terrible boundary through Ealing town centre, which we got rid of at the last review.
But still pretty impressive overall, and congrats on working out how to post maps.
Edited to add: Oh, yes, and I'd consider swapping Primrose Hill and Kentish Town S wards so as to keep Kentish Town together and avoid cutting so close to Camden Town.
Thank you for the feedback! 1.I am aware that both Barking and Ilford S are very close to the limit and rest my luck on it being below it. I did it because I feel that Gants Hill is a far more natural feet for Ilford N then any other area in Ilford S. 2.You are correct, I did not notice that it was within range. 3.It is a mess, but one I am willing to have in order of having less of a mess in other parts of the map. I actually thought of combining Wood Green with Southgate instead but it was impossible numbers wise. 4.I am aware of it, but it would have a massive domino effect in the rest of the map. 5.I have very little Knowlege on Ealing, I strongly considered keeping Walpole in Ealing Acton as it seemed a better match Demographic wise + giving Ealing North Hanger Hill and giving Southall North Hanwell but I felt I did not have enough knowledge about the area. 6.You are probably correct about Prismore Hill and Kentish town. (I missed it as I was looking for a way to get rid of Kentish Town north!)
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Post by pepperminttea on Jul 16, 2021 19:04:23 GMT
I would call it a combination of Peppermintea's map and the CBE's map with an added personal touch. It also has only one split ward (Whalebone in B&D) which is a split between Ilford S and Barking. 1.Hornchurch and Upminster (Yellow)-71477 2.Romford (Dirty Purple)-71463 3.Dagenham & Rainham (Red)-73532 4.Barking (Blue)-77000 (with Whalebone south of the track) 5.Ilford South (Orange) -77000 (With Whalebone north of the track) 6.Ilford North (Green)-74684 7.Beckton & West Ham (Pink)-70590 8.East Ham (Purple)-70902 9.Stratford & Bow (Teal)-73849 10.Chingford & Woodford Green (Yellow)-75677 11.Leyton & Wanstead (Dirty Purple)-71330 12.Walthamstow (Red)-70867 13.Poplar & Limehouse (Blue)-75814 14.Bethenal Green & Stepney (Orange)-77000 15.Hackney South & Shoreditch (Green)-75186 16.Hackney North & Stoke Newington (Pink)-76191 17.Edmonton & North Tottenham (Purple)-75413 18.Wood Green & South Tottenham (Teal)-76113 19.Hornsey & Muswell Hill (Yellow)-74748 20.City of London & Islington South (Dirty Purple)-75760 21.Islington North (Red)-73970 22.Holborn & St Pancras (Blue)-75084 23.Hampstead (Orange)-76228 24.City of Westminster (Green)-73759 25.Kensington (Pink)-75980 26.Chelsea & Fulham (Purple)-76481 27.Hammersmith & Chiswick (Teal)-74746 28.Queens Park (Yellow)-73091 29.Enfield North (Dirty Purple)-76824 30.Enfield Southgate (Red)-75002 31.Finchley (Blue)-74345 32.Chipping Barnet (Orange)-76957 33.Willesden (Green)-71122 34.Hendon (Pink)-72692 35.Wembley (Purple)-76463 36.Harrow East (Teal)-76299 37.Harrow West (Yellow)-74060 38.Ruslip, Northwood & Pinnar (Dirty Purple)-72168 39.Ealing Acton (Red)-75399 40.Ealing North (Blue)-72985 41.Ealing Southall (Orange)-75085 42.Feltham & Heston (Green)-75226 43.Brentford & Isleworth (Pink)-76354 44.Hayes & Heathrow (Purple)-72897 45.Uxbridge & South Ruislip (Teal)-75042 46.Twickenham (Yellow)-75889 This is far from being a bad plan - certainly better than the BCE's - but: - The two seats involved in your ward split are both very near the upper limit, so you're relying a lot on helpful PD numbers.
- An easy exhange is to swap Harefield and Ruislip Manor wards, improving both seats.
- Your Edmonton/Tottenham is a mess (whereas the BCE's Edmonton is actually quite good).
- While I personally, as a resident of the proposed seat, don't have a particular problem with pairing the City with Islington S, I think there will be huge pressure to maintain the City-Westminster link so you're at risk of pitchforks here, or the City equivalent (a viciously sharpened spreadsheet, perhaps, or worse still you might have the lads of the Crimson Permanent Assurance out for blood).
- You've followed pepperminttea in reinstating the former terrible boundary through Ealing town centre, which we got rid of at the last review.
But still pretty impressive overall, and congrats on working out how to post maps.
Edited to add: Oh, yes, and I'd consider swapping Primrose Hill and Kentish Town S wards so as to keep Kentish Town together and avoid cutting so close to Camden Town.
Don't agree at all re. Ealing. A split of Ealing town is not ideal but the thing is Ealing proper is *already* split on current boundaries due to Northfields being in Southall. If anything returning Walpole to Ealing Southall is better than currently due to Northfields no longer being an 'orphan' ward. Also any plans that avoid moving Walpole cause terrible butchery elsewhere e.g. splits of Southall. Your own plan, in avoiding moving Walpole, basically shoves a good chunk of Hammersmith proper and a random bite out of Kensington and Chelsea into a 'Fulham' seat. These are far worse than just moving Walpole. rcronald . One other thing I'd suggest is you can easily eliminate that unfortunate split of Heston proposed by the commission by moving Heston, Cranford and Hounslow West into a constituency with the Brentford wards, Isleworth and Osterley. Meanwhile put Feltham with the rest of the Hounslow proper wards and Heathfield (from Richmond borough).
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Post by rcronald on Jul 16, 2021 19:29:41 GMT
This is far from being a bad plan - certainly better than the BCE's - but: - The two seats involved in your ward split are both very near the upper limit, so you're relying a lot on helpful PD numbers.
- An easy exhange is to swap Harefield and Ruislip Manor wards, improving both seats.
- Your Edmonton/Tottenham is a mess (whereas the BCE's Edmonton is actually quite good).
- While I personally, as a resident of the proposed seat, don't have a particular problem with pairing the City with Islington S, I think there will be huge pressure to maintain the City-Westminster link so you're at risk of pitchforks here, or the City equivalent (a viciously sharpened spreadsheet, perhaps, or worse still you might have the lads of the Crimson Permanent Assurance out for blood).
- You've followed pepperminttea in reinstating the former terrible boundary through Ealing town centre, which we got rid of at the last review.
But still pretty impressive overall, and congrats on working out how to post maps.
Edited to add: Oh, yes, and I'd consider swapping Primrose Hill and Kentish Town S wards so as to keep Kentish Town together and avoid cutting so close to Camden Town.
Don't agree at all re. Ealing. A split of Ealing town is not ideal but the thing is Ealing proper is *already* split on current boundaries due to Northfields being in Southall. If anything returning Walpole to Ealing Southall is better than currently due to Northfields no longer being an 'orphan' ward. Also any plans that avoid moving Walpole cause terrible butchery elsewhere e.g. splits of Southall. Your own plan, in avoiding moving Walpole, basically shoves a good chunk of Hammersmith proper and a random bite out of Kensington and Chelsea into a 'Fulham' seat. These are far worse than just moving Walpole. rcronald . One other thing I'd suggest is you can easily eliminate that unfortunate split of Heston proposed by the commission by moving Heston, Cranford and Hounslow West into a constituency with the Brentford wards, Isleworth and Osterley. Meanwhile put Feltham with the rest of the Hounslow proper wards and Heathfield (from Richmond borough). 1.I though of giving Southall North Hanwell ( therefore uniting Hanwell into one constituency) and giving Ealing north Hanger Hill. do you think it makes sense? 2.I honestly dont know Hounslaw well so I thought it would make sense to not make radical changes and use the constituencies used since the 70s.
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