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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 9, 2021 12:54:32 GMT
"Oh my God! This is so terrible." "I have been placed in this impossible position." "Would you believe I have been placed in a constituency where I am literally obliged to walk through a few hundred yards of 'Another Constituency Entirely' to get to my polling station." "I am sick with worry and distress over this." It doesn't make much difference in terms of polling stations. It can cause confusion in regard to bins and accessing council services if a local authority boundary is involved. We had a cul-de-sac in Crewe (and Wistaston) in this position for years. Crewe (and Wistaston) people being sensible folk they treated it as a curiosity. Nothing more than that. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 9, 2021 12:59:12 GMT
It doesn't make much difference in terms of polling stations. It can cause confusion in regard to bins and accessing council services if a local authority boundary is involved. We had a cul-de-sac in Crewe (and Wistaston) in this position for years. Crewe (and Wistaston) people being sensible folk they treated it as a curiosity. Nothing more than that. Century View in Brinsworth (Rotherham) is similar to this, built over the boundary into Sheffield. It's difficult to make out on the map, as annoyingly Planning Portal removes boundary lines when you zoom in - but annoying still has the meering "line of hedge", etc. marked. From memory, Sheffield pays Rotherham to do their bins and stuff. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 9, 2021 13:17:21 GMT
Newly built cul de sac in Watford near the M1 is in Hertsmere but can only be accessed from Watford. The LGBCE needs to get on top of these things. "Oh my God! This is so terrible." "I have been placed in this impossible position." "Would you believe I have been placed in a constituency where I am literally obliged to walk through a few hundred yards of 'Another Constituency Entirely' to get to my polling station." "I am sick with worry and distress over this." from the pov of ordinary voters, the more likely complaint is "I have to vote at this polling station on the other side of the freeway along with the people who live there and can't vote at the same polling station that my neighbors do, even though I need to pass their homes before I can cross the freeway, all because of some ancient parish boundary that predates these houses and the freeway." Obviously where that or similarly doesn't even apply (and in some of these cases it doesn't!) the complaint becomes downright ridiculous rather than merely petty... and also extremely unlikely to be encountered irl. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 9, 2021 15:07:23 GMT
"Oh my God! This is so terrible." "I have been placed in this impossible position." "Would you believe I have been placed in a constituency where I am literally obliged to walk through a few hundred yards of 'Another Constituency Entirely' to get to my polling station." "I am sick with worry and distress over this." from the pov of ordinary voters, the more likely complaint is "I have to vote at this polling station on the other side of the freeway along with the people who live there and can't vote at the same polling station that my neighbors do, even though I need to pass their homes before I can cross the freeway, all because of some ancient parish boundary that predates these houses and the freeway." Obviously where that or similarly doesn't even apply (and in some of these cases it doesn't!) the complaint becomes downright ridiculous rather than merely petty... and also extremely unlikely to be encountered irl. When I moved into my current address in 1998, I had to walk 11 minutes to get to the polling station to vote in. The journey took me past a different polling station, only 2 minutes' walk away, which served the neighbouring polling district. A few years later, when the ward boundaries and polling district boundaries were reviewed, I made sure it was rectified so that |I only have to walk 2 minutes to get to my polling station. Several years later, the idiotic then-Chief Executive redrew the boundaries and put me back in the further-away one. I had to make a fuss and got the decision reversed. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2021 16:17:15 GMT
from the pov of ordinary voters, the more likely complaint is "I have to vote at this polling station on the other side of the freeway along with the people who live there and can't vote at the same polling station that my neighbors do, even though I need to pass their homes before I can cross the freeway, all because of some ancient parish boundary that predates these houses and the freeway." Obviously where that or similarly doesn't even apply (and in some of these cases it doesn't!) the complaint becomes downright ridiculous rather than merely petty... and also extremely unlikely to be encountered irl. When I moved into my current address in 1998, I had to walk 11 minutes to get to the polling station to vote in. The journey took me past a different polling station, only 2 minutes' walk away, which served the neighbouring polling district. A few years later, when the ward boundaries and polling district boundaries were reviewed, I made sure it was rectified so that |I only have to walk 2 minutes to get to my polling station. Several years later, the idiotic then-Chief Executive redrew the boundaries and put me back in the further-away one. I had to make a fuss and got the decision reversed. Quite right too!! "Give Us back our 9-minutes!" Our lives are being stolen by the oppressive authorities. At Lower Diabaig in Torridon, I was a 21-mile round trip from the polling station. Get some service in Laddie. You don't know you are born. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 9, 2021 17:22:22 GMT
It is easier to do South East London if you combine Bexley with Bromley and Croydon, rather than with Southwark-Lewisham-Greenwich. It is slightly messy in places but it avoids awkward combinations which might otherwise have to straddle over the Croydn-Meron boundary, or the Lambeth-Southwark or Lambeth-Wandsworth boundaries.  |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 9, 2021 17:28:04 GMT
When I moved into my current address in 1998, I had to walk 11 minutes to get to the polling station to vote in. The journey took me past a different polling station, only 2 minutes' walk away, which served the neighbouring polling district. A few years later, when the ward boundaries and polling district boundaries were reviewed, I made sure it was rectified so that |I only have to walk 2 minutes to get to my polling station. Several years later, the idiotic then-Chief Executive redrew the boundaries and put me back in the further-away one. I had to make a fuss and got the decision reversed. Quite right too!! "Give Us back our 9-minutes!" Our lives are being stolen by the oppressive authorities. At Lower Diabaig in Torridon, I was a 21-mile round trip from the polling station. Get some service in Laddie. You don't know you are born. I don't mind walking 11 minutes to the polling station. I do mind if I go straight past a different polling station on the way; I do care that my elderly neighbours have to do the same journey; I do mind if the decision is reversed for no good reason and has to be undone again. |
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Post by Sandy on Feb 9, 2021 17:34:47 GMT
Quite right too!! "Give Us back our 9-minutes!" Our lives are being stolen by the oppressive authorities. At Lower Diabaig in Torridon, I was a 21-mile round trip from the polling station. Get some service in Laddie. You don't know you are born. I don't mind walking 11 minutes to the polling station. I do mind if I go straight past a different polling station on the way; I do care that my elderly neighbours have to do the same journey; I do mind if the decision is reversed for no good reason and has to be undone again. If it’s really that much of a concern to them then they can get postal votes. You city dwellers really don’t know you are alive. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 9, 2021 17:53:18 GMT
Quite right too!! "Give Us back our 9-minutes!" Our lives are being stolen by the oppressive authorities. At Lower Diabaig in Torridon, I was a 21-mile round trip from the polling station. Get some service in Laddie. You don't know you are born. I don't mind walking 11 minutes to the polling station. I do mind if I go straight past a different polling station on the way; I do care that my elderly neighbours have to do the same journey; I do mind if the decision is reversed for no good reason and has to be undone again. Let me introduce you to Father Powell, Vicar of St Barnabas in Crewe. The BCE actually named a ward the St Barnabas Ward. One of its polling stations was St Barnabas Church Hall. Father Powell lives in the Vicary (is that what you call it?) which nestles next to both church and church hall. They placed church, church hall and vicary in the Crewe Central Ward, with a polling station half a mile away. I was in the polling station when he arrived to vote on the first occasion this arrangement was put in place. He was not a happy bunny! (The Liberal Democrat response to the draft proposals included the suggestion that St Barnabas Curch, St Barnabas Church Hall and the St Barnabas Vicarage should be placed in the St Barnabas Ward. It involved transferring 2 voters as I recall. Obviously such a ridiculous suggestion was rejected.) |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 9, 2021 17:54:13 GMT
It is easier to do South East London if you combine Bexley with Bromley and Croydon, rather than with Southwark-Lewisham-Greenwich. It is slightly messy in places but it avoids awkward combinations which might otherwise have to straddle over the Croydn-Meron boundary, or the Lambeth-Southwark or Lambeth-Wandsworth boundaries. You don't need to carve up Southwark and Lewisham to nearly that extent. Here's a version with only one Southwark-Lewisham and one Lewisham-Greenwich seat:  Bermondsey 70602 Camberwell & Dulwich 70698 Peckham 72453 Lewisham West 70899 Lewisham East 71456 Greenwich & Deptford 70826 Eltham 73604 Woolwich 72478 Optionally you could swap the 4 Dulwich wards for New Cross Gate, Old Kent Road, Faraday and North Walworth. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Feb 9, 2021 19:09:42 GMT
It is easier to do South East London if you combine Bexley with Bromley and Croydon, rather than with Southwark-Lewisham-Greenwich. It is slightly messy in places but it avoids awkward combinations which might otherwise have to straddle over the Croydn-Meron boundary, or the Lambeth-Southwark or Lambeth-Wandsworth boundaries. How would Croydon South East and Croydon South West have voted at recent elections? |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 9, 2021 21:49:29 GMT
It is easier to do South East London if you combine Bexley with Bromley and Croydon, rather than with Southwark-Lewisham-Greenwich. It is slightly messy in places but it avoids awkward combinations which might otherwise have to straddle over the Croydn-Meron boundary, or the Lambeth-Southwark or Lambeth-Wandsworth boundaries. How would Croydon South East and Croydon South West have voted at recent elections? Without doing more precise calculations, I reckon in the 2019 GE Croydon SE would be a Conservative majority of c.4k and Croydon SW would be Conservative majority of c.3k. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 9, 2021 22:30:18 GMT
For the Bexley-Bromley-Croydon group, I'm inclined to suggest having two constituencies crossing from Bromley into Croydon. I think it's fairly unarguable that New Addington is the part of Croydon most separate from the rest of the borough, so I think they ought to be the first to be removed. You then need a couple of extra wards to go. In an ideal world it'd be the two Selsdon wards, but a) that means you end up with two very thin constituencies in central/southern Croydon and b) it makes an awful mess of Bromley. So instead I suggest removing the two Shirley wards. I'm not particularly enthusiastic about this plan, but it minimises change to most constituencies and the only area that does really badly out of it is Orpington:  Erith & Crayford 74032 - optionally, swap West Heath and Bexleyheath Bexleyheath 70311 - if you make the swap, you obviously need a different name Orpington & Sidcup 72431 - there are a lot of ways of arranging wards to make this seat, but whatever happens* you end up having to lose one 'core' Orpington ward. Farnborough is picked here because it looks neater on a map Bromley & Chislehurst 74369 - gains Shortlands Hayes & New Addington 75473 - better names are almost certainly available Beckenham & Shirley 76446 Croydon South 71628 Croydon Central 73866 Croydon North 75016 * There is a way to keep those wards together if you rejig the Bexley seats and pair Sidcup with Chislehurst, but you end up having to put Crystal Palace ward in the Southwark-Lewisham-Greenwich group. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 9, 2021 22:48:24 GMT
For the Bexley-Bromley-Croydon group, I'm inclined to suggest having two constituencies crossing from Bromley into Croydon. I think it's fairly unarguable that New Addington is the part of Croydon most separate from the rest of the borough, so I think they ought to be the first to be removed. You then need a couple of extra wards to go. In an ideal world it'd be the two Selsdon wards, but a) that means you end up with two very thin constituencies in central/southern Croydon and b) it makes an awful mess of Bromley. So instead I suggest removing the two Shirley wards. I'm not particularly enthusiastic about this plan, but it minimises change to most constituencies and the only area that does really badly out of it is Orpington: That would be an abomination. New Addington has no connections (literally) with Bromley at all, and is culturally and psephologically completely different. It has a connection with the rest of Central/East Croydon, albeit fairly tenuous. Shirley is also part of Croydon, not connected properly to West Wickham. My version recognises the reality that the best place to straddle over the Croydon borough boundary is to the north of Croydon, where the wards begin to merge into the demographics of inner London. Ideally, that would normally be Lambeth - but, due to Lambeth being its own thing with a whole 3 constituencies - the next best bit is the Penge/Crystal Palace area. And of course your version of Croydon Central would have a Labour majority of 9k, which literally nobody would want to happen. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2021 22:51:00 GMT
Quite right too!! "Give Us back our 9-minutes!" Our lives are being stolen by the oppressive authorities. At Lower Diabaig in Torridon, I was a 21-mile round trip from the polling station. Get some service in Laddie. You don't know you are born. I don't mind walking 11 minutes to the polling station. I do mind if I go straight past a different polling station on the way; I do care that my elderly neighbours have to do the same journey; I do mind if the decision is reversed for no good reason and has to be undone again. Ahhh! Bless!! Are there no postal votes? Are there no proxy options.? Are there no car lifts? Are there no wheelchairs? Is Croydon snoflake city? |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2021 22:53:52 GMT
I don't mind walking 11 minutes to the polling station. I do mind if I go straight past a different polling station on the way; I do care that my elderly neighbours have to do the same journey; I do mind if the decision is reversed for no good reason and has to be undone again. Let me introduce you to Father Powell, Vicar of St Barnabas in Crewe. The BCE actually named a ward the St Barnabas Ward. One of its polling stations was St Barnabas Church Hall. Father Powell lives in the Vicary (is that what you call it?) which nestles next to both church and church hall. They placed church, church hall and vicary in the Crewe Central Ward, with a polling station half a mile away. I was in the polling station when he arrived to vote on the first occasion this arrangement was put in place. He was not a happy bunny! (The Liberal Democrat response to the draft proposals included the suggestion that St Barnabas Curch, St Barnabas Church Hall and the St Barnabas Vicarage should be placed in the St Barnabas Ward. It involved transferring 2 voters as I recall. Obviously such a ridiculous suggestion was rejected.) Oh my dears! The enormity of it. Our hearts grieve for him. Tosser!! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 9, 2021 23:20:18 GMT
Let me introduce you to Father Powell, Vicar of St Barnabas in Crewe. The BCE actually named a ward the St Barnabas Ward. One of its polling stations was St Barnabas Church Hall. Father Powell lives in the Vicary (is that what you call it?) which nestles next to both church and church hall. They placed church, church hall and vicary in the Crewe Central Ward, with a polling station half a mile away. I was in the polling station when he arrived to vote on the first occasion this arrangement was put in place. He was not a happy bunny! (The Liberal Democrat response to the draft proposals included the suggestion that St Barnabas Curch, St Barnabas Church Hall and the St Barnabas Vicarage should be placed in the St Barnabas Ward. It involved transferring 2 voters as I recall. Obviously such a ridiculous suggestion was rejected.) Oh my dears! The enormity of it. Our hearts grieve for him. Tosser!! I have no view on that matter. |
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Post by Sandy on Feb 9, 2021 23:24:29 GMT
I don't mind walking 11 minutes to the polling station. I do mind if I go straight past a different polling station on the way; I do care that my elderly neighbours have to do the same journey; I do mind if the decision is reversed for no good reason and has to be undone again. Let me introduce you to Father Powell, Vicar of St Barnabas in Crewe. The BCE actually named a ward the St Barnabas Ward. One of its polling stations was St Barnabas Church Hall. Father Powell lives in the Vicary (is that what you call it?) which nestles next to both church and church hall. They placed church, church hall and vicary in the Crewe Central Ward, with a polling station half a mile away. I was in the polling station when he arrived to vote on the first occasion this arrangement was put in place. He was not a happy bunny! (The Liberal Democrat response to the draft proposals included the suggestion that St Barnabas Curch, St Barnabas Church Hall and the St Barnabas Vicarage should be placed in the St Barnabas Ward. It involved transferring 2 voters as I recall. Obviously such a ridiculous suggestion was rejected.) It’s called a Manse. I don’t care about the rest. |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 9, 2021 23:29:07 GMT
Let me introduce you to Father Powell, Vicar of St Barnabas in Crewe. The BCE actually named a ward the St Barnabas Ward. One of its polling stations was St Barnabas Church Hall. Father Powell lives in the Vicary (is that what you call it?) which nestles next to both church and church hall. They placed church, church hall and vicary in the Crewe Central Ward, with a polling station half a mile away. I was in the polling station when he arrived to vote on the first occasion this arrangement was put in place. He was not a happy bunny! (The Liberal Democrat response to the draft proposals included the suggestion that St Barnabas Curch, St Barnabas Church Hall and the St Barnabas Vicarage should be placed in the St Barnabas Ward. It involved transferring 2 voters as I recall. Obviously such a ridiculous suggestion was rejected.) It’s called a Manse. I don’t care about the rest. If he is a vicar and goes by Father he must be an Anglo-Catholic rather than a Roman. Which makes it a Vicarage not a Manse It's a bit odd when the church the ward is named after isn't included in the ward. |
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Post by Sandy on Feb 9, 2021 23:34:58 GMT
It’s called a Manse. I don’t care about the rest. If he is a vicar and goes by Father he must be an Anglo-Catholic rather than a Roman. Which makes it a Vicarage not a Manse It's a bit odd when the church the ward is named after isn't included in the ward. Huh. I had always assumed it was a inconsequential language difference rather than an Anglican/Presbyterian divide. |
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