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[Pete Whitehead]

I wonder how Turks classify themselves on the Ethnic category. Other White? Other Asian? Any other ethnic group? Edmonton ranks first on that last category (and high on the others too)

[bjornhattan]

Jan 19, 2021 17:01:46 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

I wonder how Turks classify themselves on the Ethnic category. Other White? Other Asian? Any other ethnic group? Edmonton ranks first on that last category (and high on the others too)

The "Ethnic Group (detailed)" table in the census gives some clues - in 2011 the totals for England were:

White - Turkish: 62,355
Mixed/Multiple - Turkish: 6,403
Asian - Turkish: 6,286
Other - Turkish: 26,589

So the majority would have fallen under "Other White", but all of the groups you mention would be fairly common too (I assume any selecting "Mixed/Multiple" would come under "Other Mixed"). In Enfield specifically, which Edmonton would fall under, the figures are 11,241, 672, 876, and 3,995 respectively, so the community there is slightly more likely to identify as white (67% vs 61%).

[Andrew_S]

The news has been posted in the Rest In Peace thread but I thought I'd also note here that Byron Criddle has died. He wrote the MP profiles for the Almanac of British Politics.

[Deleted]

Just a thought, for the Welsh seats it might be helpful to include Welsh speakers in the statistics, whether that is people claiming proficiency or people who speak Welsh at home

[The Bishop]

We now have entries for 550 constituencies, just 100 still untouched. A few of the 550 still need proper profiles - but, slowly, we're getting there

[Robert Waller]

I am in the process of updating my own profiles to take into account the revised Boundary Commission recommendations, but will have to beg patience as other things are going on, such as the US midterms ...!

Updates will be in the form of edits, so will not appear as new entries in the profile threads.

Done so far, my own profiles in the following regions:
Wales
East
Yorkshire
Scotland
North East
North West
South East

I have now updated all those profiles in which I made reference to the provisional recommendations.
Those I wrote in 2020 and which did not mention boundary changes at all, I have in general left for the time being, as at least they don't have outdated references to the Commission's work.
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I hope that makes some sense ....

I shall now proceed with denting the remaining 40-odd seats with no profiles, starting with Dwyfor Meirionnydd and then, perhaps, Gravesham (in honour of David Butler, I'll leave it to folk to work out why!)

[John Chanin]

I note that Pete Whitehead and YL have started updating their profiles with the new boundaries by adding new comments.  In order to avoid any doubt I am rather updating my original profiles directly with this information (and making minor amendments as I go along). 

[Robert Waller]

Nov 18, 2022 10:01:20 GMT John Chanin said:

I note that Pete Whitehead and YL have started updating their profiles with the new boundaries by adding new comments.  In order to avoid any doubt I am rather updating my original profiles directly with this information (and making minor amendments as I go along). 

As am I !

[Pete Whitehead]

I've edited my recent posts on the Hertfordshire seats to include notional results

[Pete Whitehead]

Nov 18, 2022 10:01:20 GMT John Chanin said:

I note that Pete Whitehead and YL have started updating their profiles with the new boundaries by adding new comments.  In order to avoid any doubt I am rather updating my original profiles directly with this information (and making minor amendments as I go along). 

I'm wondering how worthwhile it is to do these for the London seats. I'd like to do these and not only for the seats where I created the profiles (I can't even remember which I did and which I didn't as part of my Middlesex fief was done by other people). I thought it worthwhile to do the Hertfordshire seats as the proposed changes there are relatively uncontentious and with no change from the initial to the revised proposals, these are likely to end up as the final product. In London (and particularly in Barnet, Brent etc) the revised proposals differ markedly from the initial proposals and there's every chance the final proposals may throw up more changes.
I want to do them now though

[John Chanin]

Nov 19, 2022 11:28:17 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Nov 18, 2022 10:01:20 GMT John Chanin said:

I note that Pete Whitehead and YL have started updating their profiles with the new boundaries by adding new comments.  In order to avoid any doubt I am rather updating my original profiles directly with this information (and making minor amendments as I go along). 

I'm wondering how worthwhile it is to do these for the London seats. I'd like to do these and not only for the seats where I created the profiles (I can't even remember which I did and which I didn't as part of my Middlesex fief was done by other people). I thought it worthwhile to do the Hertfordshire seats as the proposed changes there are relatively uncontentious and with no change from the initial to the revised proposals, these are likely to end up as the final product. In London (and particularly in Barnet, Brent etc) the revised proposals differ markedly from the initial proposals and there's every chance the final proposals may throw up more changes.
I want to do them now though

I’m going to do my NE London seats next, where there is either little change from the draft proposals, or there is a clear improvement (the less said about Southgate & Wood Green the better). I don’t think we overlap much, but it doesn’t matter if we do.

[YL]

I've now added something for all the South Yorkshire seats, whether or not I wrote the original profile. Like Hertfordshire this is an area where the boundary changes aren't that contentious and the revised proposals are very similar to the initial ones.

[nyx]

Once the review is final/put into law, will new threads be created for the new constituencies? As well as perhaps current threads being moved to a new "historic seats" section if there's no successor seat to them?

[Robert Waller]

Nov 19, 2022 13:40:13 GMT nyx said:

Once the review is final/put into law, will new threads be created for the new constituencies? As well as perhaps current threads being moved to a new "historic seats" section if there's no successor seat to them?

Yes, that is my intention as moderator of this section (though of course I am not in charge of the forum!).

I would not like to see all the hard work on the existing seats disappear, even though I would imagine that quite a lot of it can be adapted to the new seats.
There are of course some unchanged constituencies, though fewer than in many previous reviews, that could just be transferred.
I would also like to see the 2021 census figures added for the present seats; I would keep the 2011 stats in for comparison; sake, I feel that would be interesting and informative.

I am hoping that all the present 650 will be 'done' before the conclusion if the review process. I think the number remaining is about 39 at the time of writing.
It would of course be helpful if people who say they will do profiles actually do them!
At present I seem to be doing the bulk of new entries and that must be boring for readers.

In fact, all assistance would be most welcome. This was always meant to be a collaborative project.

[Pete Whitehead]

Nov 19, 2022 14:20:10 GMT Robert Waller said:

At present I seem to be doing the bulk of new entries and that must be boring for readers.

In fact, all assistance would be most welcome. This was always meant to be a collaborative project.

Obviously they are not boring..

I did look at the list a while ago and felt I didn't have much in the way of on the ground knowledge of most of the areas involved - perhaps there were one or two in Essex I could do. I'll have another look but my time might be better spent on updating some of the existing profiles with boundary change info and as you say the 2021 census data

[Robert Waller]

Thank you, Pete! I suppose I also meant that if I am the only one doing profiles people are just hearing one 'voice'. Others are perfectly capable of writing material that also isn't boring and offers different perspectives and experiences.
(for example, if one looks at my most recent profile, Angus, it is painfully obvious that I explored it while on cricket tour ... :

Yes, you yourself have done plenty and still are contributing mightily.

And you haven't promised anything then not delivered!

As far as whether it is worth updating boundary changes before the final recommendations, I would say entirely up to the writer. I think the interim stages are interesting in their own right, but could be a waste of the author's time which I would nit like to cause.
I myself shall make new profiles for the remaining blanks a higher priority than boundary changes in those seats (eg Hampshire) where I never mentioned them in the first place.

[Pete Whitehead]

Nov 19, 2022 15:37:08 GMT Robert Waller said:

As far as whether it is worth updating boundary changes before the final recommendations, I would say entirely up to the writer. I think the interim stages are interesting in their own right, but could be a waste of the author's time which I would nit like to cause.
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It's often interesting to discuss which boundaries might have been considered prior to those that actually came about. For example I was recalling recently an earlier proposal to add South Oxhey to Watford and I remember your original Almanacs discussing earlier proposed constituencies which might have been (eg a suggestion that when Haringey was redcued from three seats to two there might have been Northern and Southern seats rather than the Eastern and Western ones we are accustomed to - the mind boggles at that actually).
And a martian visiting this site would surely come away with the impression that the legendary 'Mersey Banks' was a constituency that actually existed rather than something that had just existed in the fevered imagination of some assistant commissioner..

[John Chanin]

I have now completed updating all the south Essex and NE London seats where I did original profiles 2½ years ago. I will now tidy up the handful of other East and South-East seats where I did more recent profiles, before moving on to West Midlands, where I also did a lot 2 years ago and therefore have no boundary information.

I may add boundary information elsewhere afterwards, for areas I know something about, if the original poster doesn't, but not until after Christmas.

[YL]

I have now added comments on the proposed boundary changes for all Yorkshire and the Humber constituencies except for those written by Robert Waller, where he is doing this himself, and Colne Valley where there is a post on the changes by bsjmcr.

[therealriga]

I've begun updating the Northern Ireland ones to reflect the revised boundary proposals. Only done 2 Belfast ones so far but hope to do the rest during this week.