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Post by johnloony on Sept 11, 2024 10:10:43 GMT
From the lack of gloating on either side I'm assuming the debate did not have a clear winner but will check the highlights later. Was there anything particularly amusing to look out for? Sounds like a big Harris win - Dems are very happy whilst Rs are whining about the moderators (who were actually very light touch) which is almost always a sign you know you’ve lost. Harris was pretty adept at getting across the points she wanted to the public but dropping in a small amount of bait in her answers - Trump then got completely sidetracked ranting about crowd sizes or whatever and failed to land a glove on Harris, even on what should have been winning issues (immigration, Afghanistan). The most amusing points, if you can call them that, were probably Trump’s ravings about the conspiracy theory going around MAGA world in recent days about Haitian immigrants eating cats, or his bizarre rant about transgender immigrant prisoners. Gary O’Donoghue of the BBC pointed out that Trump himself went into the spin room afterwards for about 15 minutes - i.e. a sign of desperation that he can’t rely on his own team of spinsters to get the message out.
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Post by r34t on Sept 11, 2024 10:30:02 GMT
Sounds like a big Harris win - Dems are very happy whilst Rs are whining about the moderators (who were actually very light touch) which is almost always a sign you know you’ve lost. Harris was pretty adept at getting across the points she wanted to the public but dropping in a small amount of bait in her answers - Trump then got completely sidetracked ranting about crowd sizes or whatever and failed to land a glove on Harris, even on what should have been winning issues (immigration, Afghanistan). The most amusing points, if you can call them that, were probably Trump’s ravings about the conspiracy theory going around MAGA world in recent days about Haitian immigrants eating cats, or his bizarre rant about transgender immigrant prisoners. Gary O’Donoghue of the BBC pointed out that Trump himself went into the spin room afterwards for about 15 minutes - i.e. a sign of desperation that he can’t rely on his own team of spinsters to get the message out. You’re probably right, but never forget that the only person who Trump trusts is himself.
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Post by therealriga on Sept 11, 2024 10:30:47 GMT
From the lack of gloating on either side I'm assuming the debate did not have a clear winner but will check the highlights later. Was there anything particularly amusing to look out for? The most amusing points, if you can call them that, were probably Trump’s ravings or his bizarre rant about transgender immigrant prisoners. Yes, as an immigrant myself watching, when he said that or his idea about babies being killed in Virginia I nearly choked on my cat burger.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 11, 2024 11:04:10 GMT
Calling herself Childless Cat Lady and waiting until the very last minute of the debate is absolute genius. Taylor Swift knows how to work the media machine alright. I actually disagree. I dislike “celebrity endorsements”. People should make up their own minds. People who vote Harris because “that’s what Taylor Swift told me to do” are idiots. Same as the MAGA crowd. Vote for your principles, that’s all. Thanks. I do agree in principle, but this is very much "old man shakes fist at cloud" territory. They have been a thing for almost as long as free elections have existed.
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Post by stb12 on Sept 11, 2024 11:17:53 GMT
I actually disagree. I dislike “celebrity endorsements”. People should make up their own minds. People who vote Harris because “that’s what Taylor Swift told me to do” are idiots. Same as the MAGA crowd. Vote for your principles, that’s all. Thanks. I do agree in principle, but this is very much "old man shakes fist at cloud" territory. They have been a thing for almost as long as free elections have existed. I know celebrities getting involved in politics is hardly a new thing but as someone of a ‘younger’ generation it certainly seems to me like they’re pretty much forced to now if they want to avoid any hassle. Celebrities who try and stay out of politics tend to face a barrage on social media about why they aren’t speaking out on one issue or another, and get suspicion thrown at them that they may have the ‘wrong’ views It should be perfectly legitimate for anyone including a celebrity to not want to be involved in politics
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 11, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
Gary O’Donoghue of the BBC pointed out that Trump himself went into the spin room afterwards for about 15 minutes - i.e. a sign of desperation that he can’t rely on his own team of spinsters to get the message out. You’re probably right, but never forget that the only person who Trump trusts is himself. This was the first time he has done this though, so he didn't even trust himself in the debate... This was a clear defeat for Trump, he came across as the crazy old narcissist that he is, and should there be any more debates it'll just be the same pattern repeated because he can't help himself.
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Post by sanders on Sept 11, 2024 12:27:10 GMT
I stopped taking Trump seriously after the cats and dogs comment (for reference, I supported Trump in 2016). I'm sure I'm not the only '16 Trump supporter who's lost interest in his ferocious foaming fulminations.
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Post by john07 on Sept 11, 2024 13:35:06 GMT
I stopped taking Trump seriously after the cats and dogs comment (for reference, I supported Trump in 2016). I'm sure I'm not the only '16 Trump supporter who's lost interest in his ferocious foaming fulminations. I stopped taking Trump seriously the first time he said: "You're Fired".
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Post by islington on Sept 11, 2024 15:03:42 GMT
I stopped taking Trump seriously after the cats and dogs comment (for reference, I supported Trump in 2016). I'm sure I'm not the only '16 Trump supporter who's lost interest in his ferocious foaming fulminations. So in only eight years, 2016 - 2024, your political journey has taken you from Trump to Sanders.
One wonders whom you'll be supporting in 2032.
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Post by Jack on Sept 11, 2024 15:09:19 GMT
I stopped taking Trump seriously after the cats and dogs comment (for reference, I supported Trump in 2016). I'm sure I'm not the only '16 Trump supporter who's lost interest in his ferocious foaming fulminations. So in only eight years, 2016 - 2024, your political journey has taken you from Trump to Sanders.
One wonders whom you'll be supporting in 2032.
Trump and Sanders are both populists, so it's not really all that surprising.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 11, 2024 18:37:53 GMT
I note that Trump criticised Germany's energy policy, and Germany decided to criticise him back.
Maybe it's one for the German politics thread instead, but he's not terribly off the mark. Germany's energy policy is an appalling environmental disaster that at best could be described as damaging people's lives, and at worst is essentially ethnocide.
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Post by therealriga on Sept 11, 2024 18:40:46 GMT
I just watched the whole thing and it's clear that preparation was key. Harris was obviously ready for Trump's lines of attack and had an answer ready or a deflection which would goad him into going off topic and he fell for it every time.
Trump was either unprepared or, equally likely, simply ignored his team's advice and feedback from his own debate prep. A "compare and contrast his background and my own more humble one" line from Harris was predictable and should have been ignored by Trump but he goes off on a ramble about how he only got "a fraction" of his dad's $400 million, which made him look peevish as well as out of touch (most of us would be blessed to get a fraction of a parent's half a billion fortune.)
Harris was lighter on policy and may have struggled more to defend her record if Trump had stayed focused and pressed the attack but he insisted in taking the bait instead. I still think this election is close on evenly balanced, but the needle moved very, very slightly in Harris' direction as a result.
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Post by r34t on Sept 11, 2024 19:12:27 GMT
Laura Loomer accompanied Trump & Vance to a 9/11 commemoration event today😯
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 11, 2024 19:42:40 GMT
Or acknowledge that this is already acknowledged in the structure of the system and it is already split into 50ths, and stop fioghting to centralise it into an impossible single unitary state.
From the lack of gloating on either side I'm assuming the debate did not have a clear winner but will check the highlights later. Was there anything particularly amusing to look out for? The transgender thing was hilarious but I think this was the funniest bit
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Post by matureleft on Sept 11, 2024 19:51:09 GMT
The thing I noted was that Harris crossed the stage and offered her hand to an obviously slightly taken aback Trump. She then repeated that at the 9/11 event later. It demonstrated her assertiveness with him, even dominance.
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Post by stb12 on Sept 11, 2024 20:46:29 GMT
The thing I noted was that Harris crossed the stage and offered her hand to an obviously slightly taken aback Trump. She then repeated that at the 9/11 event later. It demonstrated her assertiveness with him, even dominance. Turned out they’d never actually met before which I was a bit surprised by (although it’s maybe been mentioned before and just not made many headlines)
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Post by timmullen on Sept 11, 2024 21:42:36 GMT
Harris talks about the late, great, John McCain. Smart politics - Harris is winning Arizona. The McCains are still royalty there. I wasn't a McCain fan though. Too pro-war for my taste, frankly. McCain’s son, Jimmy, has endorsed Harris already, and I wouldn’t be shocked to the core if Cindy McCain, John’s widow, followed suit after Biden nominated her as US Ambassador to UN Agencies for Food and Agriculture Programmes, from which she resigned last year to take up her current role as head of the UN World Food Programme during which she’s been much more critical of Israel’s conduct in Gaza than most Western leaders.
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Post by stb12 on Sept 11, 2024 21:50:52 GMT
Smart politics - Harris is winning Arizona. The McCains are still royalty there. I wasn't a McCain fan though. Too pro-war for my taste, frankly. McCain’s son, Jimmy, has endorsed Harris already, and I wouldn’t be shocked to the core if Cindy McCain, John’s widow, followed suit after Biden nominated her as US Ambassador to UN Agencies for Food and Agriculture Programmes, from which she resigned last year to take up her current role as head of the UN World Food Programme during which she’s been much more critical of Israel’s conduct in Gaza than most Western leaders. Despite sharing the distaste for Trump that the McCain family naturally has Meghan seems to be firmly sticking to not endorsing the Democrat ticket, and has been heavily critical of the Biden administration even with the family friend history. Like the past twice sounds like she’ll be writing someone in
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Post by timmullen on Sept 11, 2024 22:04:15 GMT
I do agree in principle, but this is very much "old man shakes fist at cloud" territory. They have been a thing for almost as long as free elections have existed. I know celebrities getting involved in politics is hardly a new thing but as someone of a ‘younger’ generation it certainly seems to me like they’re pretty much forced to now if they want to avoid any hassle. Celebrities who try and stay out of politics tend to face a barrage on social media about why they aren’t speaking out on one issue or another, and get suspicion thrown at them that they may have the ‘wrong’ views It should be perfectly legitimate for anyone including a celebrity to not want to be involved in politics I certainly don’t think it applies to Ms Swift, whose political journey has been well documented, for example here: time.com/7020404/taylor-swift-endorsements-politics-timeline/I think you see someone maturing with age and seeing a world outside her own musical genre. (She seems to put her money where her mouth is as well, I read at the time that she donated to foodbanks in every city that hosted her recent tour, and paid for the medical treatment of a lady shot at the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl parade this year (she’s dating one of the Chiefs’ star players and probably got more TV coverage during the game than the game itself, but that probably isn’t atypical for US TV).
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Post by mboy on Sept 11, 2024 22:11:43 GMT
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