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Post by manchesterman on Aug 6, 2024 9:56:15 GMT
As I say...'for effect and emphasis' - which is what your team leader was doing
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Post by graham on Aug 6, 2024 10:07:37 GMT
Without going off topic, I think that expletives are a valuable part of communication; however it should be used for effect and emphasis. It expresses deep anger or passion about a topic. However those who use an expletive every other word are just illiterate. I once worked in a removal firm for six months in the seventies - swearing was so endemic that it had actually became a necessary part of speech. For example: - "Put that fucking box in the fucking corner" was a valid instruction from the team leader - "Put that box in the corner" was essentially the same as a cough or other non-verbal noise and was invariably ignored. I learned far more about real life doing that job than in eighteen years at school... Yet a referee spoken to in that way on the football field would be entitled to issue the player concerned with a red card. I certainly would do so.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 6, 2024 10:13:02 GMT
Without going off topic, I think that expletives are a valuable part of communication; however it should be used for effect and emphasis. It expresses deep anger or passion about a topic. However those who use an expletive every other word are just illiterate. Illliterate is the wrong word - it's unlikely in this day and age that the people you are grouping here are unable to read or write.
Possibly you mean inarticulate - but then someone like Bukowski who used a lot of profanity in his work could hardly be described as inarticulate whatever you think of his prose. John Cooper Clarke's poem "Evidently Chicken Town" uses variants of the F word in every single sentence, but this is for emphasis. If all his poems were like this, people wouldn't rate his work as it would just become lazy or banal, but of course he doesn't.
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Post by manchesterman on Aug 6, 2024 10:25:31 GMT
I once worked in a removal firm for six months in the seventies - swearing was so endemic that it had actually became a necessary part of speech. For example: - " Put that fucking box in the fucking corner" was a valid instruction from the team leader - "Put that box in the corner" was essentially the same as a cough or other non-verbal noise and was invariably ignored. I learned far more about real life doing that job than in eighteen years at school... Yet a referee spoken to in that way on the football field would be entitled to issue the player concerned with a red card. I certainly would do so. Ironically, a footballer may tell his colleague "Put that corner in the fucking box"
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Post by manchesterman on Aug 6, 2024 10:26:24 GMT
Without going off topic, I think that expletives are a valuable part of communication; however it should be used for effect and emphasis. It expresses deep anger or passion about a topic. However those who use an expletive every other word are just illiterate. Illliterate is the wrong word - it's unlikely in this day and age that the people you are grouping here are unable to read or write.
Possibly you mean inarticulate - but then someone like Bukowski who used a lot of profanity in his work could hardly be described as inaritulate whatever you think of his prose. John Cooper Clarke's poem "Evidently Chicken Town" uses variants of the F word in every single sentence, but this is for emphasis. If all his poems were like this, people wouldn't rate his work as it would just become lazy or banal, but of course he doesn't.
Totally agree about JCC. Manc legend
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Post by sanders on Aug 6, 2024 10:41:40 GMT
Governor Walz will be appearing in Philadelphia, PA, today… Here we, here we, here we fucking go!
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Post by batman on Aug 6, 2024 11:19:32 GMT
Without going off topic, I think that expletives are a valuable part of communication; however it should be used for effect and emphasis. It expresses deep anger or passion about a topic. However those who use an expletive every other word are just illiterate. I once worked in a removal firm for six months in the seventies - swearing was so endemic that it had actually became a necessary part of speech. For example: - "Put that fucking box in the fucking corner" was a valid instruction from the team leader - "Put that box in the corner" was essentially the same as a cough or other non-verbal noise and was invariably ignored. I learned far more about real life doing that job than in eighteen years at school... I was told by my shop manager (former Band Sergeant-Major of the Irish Guards) that one of his comrades, an Ulsterman I think, used the F word with such regularity even by Army standards that he was known as Davy Fuck Fuck.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 6, 2024 11:33:58 GMT
Illliterate is the wrong word - it's unlikely in this day and age that the people you are grouping here are unable to read or write.
Possibly you mean inarticulate - but then someone like Bukowski who used a lot of profanity in his work could hardly be described as inaritulate whatever you think of his prose. John Cooper Clarke's poem "Evidently Chicken Town" uses variants of the F word in every single sentence, but this is for emphasis. If all his poems were like this, people wouldn't rate his work as it would just become lazy or banal, but of course he doesn't.
Totally agree about JCC. Manc legend Although bizarrely he has spent most of his adult life in, of all places, Colchester.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 6, 2024 11:42:03 GMT
Totally agree about JCC. Manc legend Although bizarrely he has spent most of his adult life in, of all places, Colchester. Où est la maison de fromage'?
He also spent three years in Shaftesbury.
There can't be many people who have had close personal relationships with both Nico and the Honey Monster
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 6, 2024 11:47:52 GMT
Although bizarrely he has spent most of his adult life in, of all places, Colchester. Où est la maison de fromage'? Évidemment la ville de poulet.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 6, 2024 11:58:41 GMT
Totally agree about JCC. Manc legend Although bizarrely he has spent most of his adult life in, of all places, Colchester. As he said once on Countdown when the story was about Alex Ferguson's retirement, and Paul Merton asked him if he was a Manchester United fan, he said "Of Course, I'm such a United fan I moved out of Manchester".
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Post by islington on Aug 6, 2024 12:40:57 GMT
Without going off topic, I think that expletives are a valuable part of communication; however it should be used for effect and emphasis. It expresses deep anger or passion about a topic. However those who use an expletive every other word are just illiterate. I'd just like to assure you that the English language is capable of expressing deep anger, passion or other very strong feelings without resort to profanity.
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Post by timmullen on Aug 6, 2024 12:54:50 GMT
CNN reporting that Harris has selected Tim Walz as her running mate.
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Post by sanders on Aug 6, 2024 13:23:36 GMT
CNN reporting that Harris has selected Tim Walz as her running mate. Excellent. I put £50 on him at 2/1 last night. He will destroy Vance.
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Post by timmullen on Aug 6, 2024 13:26:16 GMT
CNN reporting that Harris has selected Tim Walz as her running mate. Excellent. I put £50 on him at 2/1 last night. Beat you to it, £20 friendly bet with his former County Secretary in Winona County, MN, the evening Biden withdrew.
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Post by sanders on Aug 6, 2024 13:29:29 GMT
Excellent. I put £50 on him at 2/1 last night. Beat you to it, £20 friendly bet with his former County Secretary in Winona County, MN, the evening Biden withdrew. Smart. Heavily bet on Harris winning POTUS the day Biden pulled out. All my swing state bets were made before he withdrew.
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Post by riccimarsh on Aug 6, 2024 13:30:04 GMT
Walz has a very solid record of achievement in Minnesota and seems personally likeable. So, a direct contrast to Vance, who as far as I can tell hasn’t helped pass a single piece of legislation, and generally comes across as extremely unpleasant indeed.
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 6, 2024 13:31:31 GMT
Seems like the safe bet though
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 6, 2024 13:33:22 GMT
Seen elsewhere.
Previously, Pence was there to look like a moderating influence on Trump.
Now, Trump looks like he is there to be a moderating influence on Vance.
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Post by stb12 on Aug 6, 2024 13:48:08 GMT
Walz has a very solid record of achievement in Minnesota and seems personally likeable. So, a direct contrast to Vance, who as far as I can tell hasn’t helped pass a single piece of legislation, and generally comes across as extremely unpleasant indeed. In fairness Vance has worked closely with Sherrod Brown on rail safety legislation and Elizabeth Warren on legislation to allow money to be clawed back from failed banking executives so he has tried some bipartisan work Neither measure has managed to reach a vote yet but that is probably more down to how slowly things move in DC especially with divided government rather than his own fault as such
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