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Post by jamesdoyle on Aug 3, 2024 13:00:35 GMT
There’s certainly been an initial polling surge, nationwide and in swing states. How it lasts and if it can grow further is the big question obviously Although I liked Harris, and was puzzled by how badly things went in her presidential campaign in 2020, I thought there were too many reasons - ethnicity, gender, from California - for Republicans to latch on to dislike her for her to be viable in a general election. But I'm very happy to have been proved wrong (so far) on that. Trump and Vance's idiocies have helped of course,
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Post by stb12 on Aug 3, 2024 13:06:04 GMT
There’s certainly been an initial polling surge, nationwide and in swing states. How it lasts and if it can grow further is the big question obviously Although I liked Harris, and was puzzled by how badly things went in her presidential campaign in 2020, I thought there were too many reasons - ethnicity, gender, from California - for Republicans to latch on to dislike her for her to be viable in a general election. But I'm very happy to have been proved wrong (so far) on that. Trump and Vance's idiocies have helped of course, Its early days obviously, there has definitely been a honeymoon period that probably stems from Harris simply not being Biden as his candidacy had clearly become hopeless. But that will settle down and we’ll see if focus and attack lines on her have an effect
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Post by jimboo2017 on Aug 4, 2024 0:27:05 GMT
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 2:38:15 GMT
Trump, who previously opposed this idea, has now agreed to debate Kamala. Sorry, even thinking of ducking debates for the most powerful position in the world - who the fuck are you?
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Post by jamesdoyle on Aug 4, 2024 7:43:11 GMT
Trump, who previously opposed this idea, has now agreed to debate Kamala. Sorry, even thinking of ducking debates for the most powerful position in the world - who the fuck are you? No he hasn't 'agreed' to debate her, he's unilaterally announced a debate on a different channel (Fox instead of ABC) with two republican moderators instead of one neutral, with an audience, and no rules on microphones being turned off. Transparently he's still unwilling to take her on on a level playing field. On a style note: should be Trump and Harris not Trump and Kamala.
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 8:28:21 GMT
Trump, who previously opposed this idea, has now agreed to debate Kamala. Sorry, even thinking of ducking debates for the most powerful position in the world - who the fuck are you? No he hasn't 'agreed' to debate her, he's unilaterally announced a debate on a different channel (Fox instead of ABC) with two republican moderators instead of one neutral, with an audience, and no rules on microphones being turned off. Transparently he's still unwilling to take her on on a level playing field. On a style note: should be Trump and Harris not Trump and Kamala. Yes, sorry - the debates situation seems highly technical and acrimonious in its partisanship. Ethan Kelly does a decent job here and explains it better: .
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Post by jamesdoyle on Aug 4, 2024 8:46:50 GMT
No he hasn't 'agreed' to debate her, he's unilaterally announced a debate on a different channel (Fox instead of ABC) with two republican moderators instead of one neutral, with an audience, and no rules on microphones being turned off. Transparently he's still unwilling to take her on on a level playing field. On a style note: should be Trump and Harris not Trump and Kamala. Yes, sorry - the debates situation seems highly technical and acrimonious in its partisanship. Ethan Kelly does a decent job here and explains it better: . Again, no. The process isn't partisan, Trump is. There was an agreement between the sides but Trump always wants to tilt things his way.
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 8:51:14 GMT
Yes, sorry - the debates situation seems highly technical and acrimonious in its partisanship. Ethan Kelly does a decent job here and explains it better: . Again, no. The process isn't partisan, Trump is. There was an agreement between the sides but Trump always wants to tilt things his way. And trying to nix decades of consensus and precedent in the process - we’ve had debates since 1960!
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Post by graham on Aug 4, 2024 9:37:15 GMT
Again, no. The process isn't partisan, Trump is. There was an agreement between the sides but Trump always wants to tilt things his way. And trying to nix decades of consensus and precedent in the process - we’ve had debates since 1960! Though there were no debates in 1964, 1968 and 1972 - so in that sense there is precedent. In 1980 Carter and Reagan only debated once.
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 10:37:22 GMT
And trying to nix decades of consensus and precedent in the process - we’ve had debates since 1960! Though there were no debates in 1964, 1968 and 1972 - so in that sense there is precedent. In 1980 Carter and Reagan only debated once. Well a 44-year record as opposed to a 64-year one in that case. I hadn't realised there were no debates in the elections you mention.
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Post by graham on Aug 4, 2024 11:10:28 GMT
Though there were no debates in 1964, 1968 and 1972 - so in that sense there is precedent. In 1980 Carter and Reagan only debated once. Well a 44-year record as opposed to a 64-year one in that case. I hadn't realised there were no debates in the elections you mention. In 1976 there were 3 debates between Ford and Carter.
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 11:52:56 GMT
Well a 44-year record as opposed to a 64-year one in that case. I hadn't realised there were no debates in the elections you mention. In 1976 there were 3 debates between Ford and Carter. Ford fucked up in debates IIRC.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 4, 2024 13:13:18 GMT
In 1976 there were 3 debates between Ford and Carter. Ford fucked up in debates IIRC. He was the man described by Lyndon Johnson as so dumb that he couldn't fart and chew gum at the same time. So no surprise there.
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Post by graham on Aug 4, 2024 13:47:45 GMT
In 1976 there were 3 debates between Ford and Carter. Ford fucked up in debates IIRC. He did in the debate set aside for Foreign Affairs , but did ok on domestic issues.
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 14:45:46 GMT
Kelly and Shapiro en route to D.C. It’s unclear if Beshear is.
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Post by hullenedge on Aug 4, 2024 14:47:11 GMT
Ford 'effing up' his campaign in less than two minutes. That and the Iowa/Ohio gaffe may have cost him the presidency.
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 16:43:18 GMT
United Autoworkers boss Shawn Fein (whose union extracted huge concessions from Ford et al last year, endorses Andy Beshear. The union vote is still pretty impactful despite cratering membership since the 1970s and part of why Beshear won in Kentucky in 2019 over Matt Bevin was the latter's handling of the teacher strike in the Bluegrass State, and his union appeal is undeniable, compared to Kelly or Shapiro. "A Harris - Beshear ticket would be unbeatable" - Fein.
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Post by stb12 on Aug 4, 2024 17:03:36 GMT
Trump and Brian Kemp still aren’t getting along then
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Post by sanders on Aug 4, 2024 17:05:01 GMT
Trump and Brian Kemp still aren’t getting along then 2022 Georgia Republican gubernatorial primary: Kemp 70%, Perdue 21%. Trump is hated in Georgia Republican circles, and his Senate choice lost the general too.
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Post by stb12 on Aug 4, 2024 17:18:05 GMT
Trump and Brian Kemp still aren’t getting along then 2022 Georgia Republican gubernatorial primary: Kemp 70%, Perdue 21%. Trump is hated in Georgia Republican circles, and his Senate choice lost the general too. Considering the importance of Georgia reopening this feud really doesn’t seem smart at all, he’ll need Kemp’s ground game in the state to be fully onside
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