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Post by manchesterman on Jul 22, 2024 11:06:28 GMT
It still can’t beat the President Ford situation as he became President without appearing on a Presidential ballot paper at all at the previous election Shhhh! That's the "wrong" party. Don't mention that! |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 22, 2024 11:07:31 GMT
Can’t wait to see Harris run rings around Trump in the debates. LOL Can you translate this word salad for us? If you are genuinely under the impression that Trump doesn't do word salads, I fear a degree of disillusionment awaits. |
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Post by observer on Jul 22, 2024 11:08:39 GMT
One of the most disturbing things about the Biden presidency has been the willingness of the media to protect Biden. How do they rebuild their reputation, as organisations and individuals? The US media has no reputation to rebuild, and no part of that media has any intention of trying. The left-wing media trashed its reputation long before it dismissed Biden's health decline, and in much worse ways (e.g. calling the most likely way Covid arose and killed 20 million people, a "racist conspiracy theory", and being apologists for political violence in 2020). The right-wing media burned its reputation by indulging an actual conspiracy theory that the 2020 election was "stolen" from Trump (and being apologists for political violence in 2021). Don't pretend this is a new problem or that you care about the credibility of right-wing media, because you obviously don't from your postings. What a stupid thing to say. I don't care about the wellbeing of right-wing or left-wing media. It is possible to believe that the public should simply be told the truth. Decisions in a democracy, after all, ultimately rest with the public. It's as basic as that and maybe you don't grasp that. You need to drop your prejudice and see things as they are...and as they should be. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 22, 2024 11:09:09 GMT
It still can’t beat the President Ford situation as he became President without appearing on a Presidential ballot paper at all at the previous election Shhhh! That's the "wrong" party. Don't mention that! I think it should be clear by now I have no party biases when I make comments, at UK or US level  |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 22, 2024 11:11:53 GMT
Biden's withdrawal will now likely give the Democrats a month of high profile media coverage . Likely to be pretty helpful to them. ..and possibly more importantly, they will be able to focus on the cognitive decline and age of the other candidate. Although less pronounced than Biden's, it is still there for all to see in his speeches and - like Biden's decline - it will only get worse, not better. I think the truth is regardless of how much you like or dislike Trump he comes across fine for a 78 year old, that helped make the contrast at the debate so damaging. The more unhinged and ranting element of his speeches just seems like part of what he does and always has done, even if there is some cognitive decline involved Also as already mentioned previously in the thread it’s a difficult line for the Democrats to focus on as they were willing to put Biden on the ticket and ultimately this is being sold as his own personal decision even if everyone knows intense pressure was put on. It might still come up but I’d be surprised if it was a bit campaigning point |
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Post by observer on Jul 22, 2024 11:12:40 GMT
One of the most disturbing things about the Biden presidency has been the willingness of the media to protect Biden. How do they rebuild their reputation, as organisations and individuals? By digging a gigantic memory hole. Only deplorables like you will remember, and then it's easy to pretend it never happened. Absolutely. They're currently pretending that they are shocked at Bidens decline. Very soon it'll be back to business as usual for them. But their reputation is ruined amongst the deplorables who are more numerous than they like to admit. I believe they'll now step up the yellow journalism because they're not big enough to admit their lies. Their business model is stuffed |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 22, 2024 11:15:06 GMT
The candidate withdrew after being selected. It happens. It's not a big deal. What do you expect? Everyone to say "No, you're not *allowed* to withdraw, Joe"? This juvenile line of attack is beneath you tbh. This would be valid if he withdrew of his own choice but not when he was essentially forced out. |
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Post by batman on Jul 22, 2024 11:17:43 GMT
That's not entirely fair. I regard the defeat of Trump as a prerequisite for maintaining democracy & avoiding the creation of a tyranny in the US. I would not put it past Trump to attempt to change the constitution so that he can run for a 3rd term, and he has spoken about locking up political opponents. I do not trust the Supreme Court or other traditional checks & balances to thwart some of his more extreme political desires. Biden & most Democrats surely feel the same, so the only way to avoid this is a Democratic victory in the election. If he feels that he himself can't achieve that as a candidate, then by withdrawing he is thinking about the country as well as his ratings. But political prosecutions of the main opposition candidate on novel criminal charges is fine because it protects democracy? if he is guilty of crimes he needs to be brought to account. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 22, 2024 11:19:05 GMT
It still can’t beat the President Ford situation as he became President without appearing on a Presidential ballot paper at all at the previous election A silly comparison. In a situation when both the the elected President and elected Vice President resign during their term there is no alternative (in a fixed term situation) to the successor being someone who wasn't on the presidential ballot at the previous election. |
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Post by batman on Jul 22, 2024 11:19:07 GMT
I regard the defeat of Trump as a prerequisite for maintaining democracy To bad that you just cheered on the destruction of democracy with the ousting of the person who overwhelming won the Democratic Primary in every single state. Harris as the nominee has no democratic legitimacy whatsoever. she does if she wins the election and she is also the elected vice president |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 22, 2024 11:19:59 GMT
It is quite possible, even likely, that Biden's "decline" has become more pronounced only recently. Despite some scepticism, it is now clear that he was perfectly mentally competent to become POTUS back in 2020 when he was basically the same age Trump is now. Given that, Trump being in passable condition for a 78 year old at present is absolutely no guarantee he will still be for a full term. Apart from all the other perfectly sound reasons not to vote for him, of course |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 22, 2024 11:21:12 GMT
The bad-faith comes from those who think they can disregard election results when it suits them while claiming to be trying to save democracy. Jan 6 says Hi Irrelevant to the point under discussion and furthermore I am not proclaiming myself as someone trying to "save democracy". |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 22, 2024 11:23:28 GMT
The bad-faith comes from those who think they can disregard election results when it suits them while claiming to be trying to save democracy. Absolutely. To combine a couple of points, do you think Trump will wake up this morning, or any morning, and remember that he lost the Presidency? Now that you said he is trying another grift to recoup campaign funds spent in running against Biden it makes yesterday's news much more fun. You really are an exceptionally silly individual. Of course Trump remembers that he lost the presidency. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 22, 2024 11:23:47 GMT
It still can’t beat the President Ford situation as he became President without appearing on a Presidential ballot paper at all at the previous election A silly comparison. In a situation when both the the elected President and elected Vice President resign during their term there is no alternative (in a fixed term situation) to the successor being someone who wasn't on the presidential ballot at the previous election. I’m aware of that that but it was still a questionable situation democracy wise, you can argue this is as well but it’s all within the rules Biden’s decision to withdraw now (which he has still had to make even though the pressure put on him is obvious) clearly means that there is no time for other primaries to be held |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 22, 2024 11:25:24 GMT
Apparently decided not to run... "Let's pass the torch to another generation," Manchin tells CNN. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 22, 2024 11:26:50 GMT
Apparently decided not to run... "Let's pass the torch to another generation," Manchin tells CNN. It would have been a waste of time but he was probably tempted to represent a type of conservative Democrat that he thinks has no say or influence in the party anymore |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 22, 2024 11:32:04 GMT
The candidate withdrew after being selected. It happens. It's not a big deal. What do you expect? Everyone to say "No, you're not *allowed* to withdraw, Joe"? This juvenile line of attack is beneath you tbh. This would be valid if he withdrew of his own choice but not when he was essentially forced out. The right: "Biden is such a doddering old fool who dosent even know what day it is. He can't be trusted to run a bath, let alone with the nuclear codes. He should withdraw his intention to run as he isnt fit for office!" *Biden is persuaded to withdraw* The right: "You can't force that guy out of running for office. that's not democratic"  |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 22, 2024 11:32:35 GMT
It is quite possible, even likely, that Biden's "decline" has become more pronounced only recently. Despite some scepticism, it is now clear that he was perfectly mentally competent to become POTUS back in 2020 when he was basically the same age Trump is now. Given that, Trump being in passable condition for a 78 year old at present is absolutely no guarantee he will still be for a full term. Apart from all the other perfectly sound reasons not to vote for him, of course Unless there’s further developments Biden will still see out his term and the easy argument is that Trump will be term limited by 2029 so there’s no question of him running again then anyway |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 22, 2024 11:33:41 GMT
Someone pointed out that the Biden crisis has come to a head now, after the TV debate in June, whereas presidential election debates usually don’t happen until September. Can’t wait to see Harris run rings around Trump in the debates. Trump woudl be crazy to debate Harris .....oh wait |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 22, 2024 11:34:40 GMT
Absolutely. To combine a couple of points, do you think Trump will wake up this morning, or any morning, and remember that he lost the Presidency? Now that you said he is trying another grift to recoup campaign funds spent in running against Biden it makes yesterday's news much more fun. You really are an exceptionally silly individual. Of course Trump remembers that he lost the presidency. Are you going to break it to his deplorable supporters or should I? The reason he lost the Presidency is because he got hammered in the election, which is another fact that he can't get his tiny mind around. I heard it put really well the other day - apparently he is not a 'former President' as that means someone who stood down undefeated. He is an 'ex-President' as he was a Loser. |
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