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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 19, 2024 18:32:32 GMT
I wouldn't trust Russell Brand to tell me the answer for "what is 2+2?".
He's a grifter. He's a sham. He's perfect for the New Gilead.
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Post by mboy on Jul 19, 2024 18:50:43 GMT
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Post by riccimarsh on Jul 19, 2024 19:23:40 GMT
I don’t see any mention in that X thread of racism or colonialism. Just an interesting perspective on how challenging basic tenets of knowledge can sometimes lead to alternative ways of thinking. The Earth was always thought to be the centre of the universe, until someone questioned that fact, and then it was found that it wasn’t. Newton was right, until Einstein showed he wasn’t. The square root of -1 didn’t exist, but then someone called it i, and now it’s very useful. I don’t say that 2+2=5, but questioning and imagining whether it ever can is an interesting thought experiment. It’s how new ideas come about and new discoveries are made. Absolutely f*** all to do with racism and colonialism though. |
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Post by mboy on Jul 19, 2024 19:36:16 GMT
ROFL. I know that looking back it's very embarrassing episode for progressives and has been comprehensively memory-holed, but it's all out there if you care to look. E.g:
I'm not wasting any more of my time reminding you how utterly deranged the Left was in 2020.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 19, 2024 19:38:13 GMT
ROFL. I know that looking back it's very embarrassing episode for progressives and has been comprehensively memory-holed, but it's all out there if you care to look. E.g: I'm not wasting any more of my time reminding you how utterly deranged the Left was in 2020. just in 2020?  |
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Post by mboy on Jul 19, 2024 19:57:53 GMT
Fair point, but I think the Left has improved a lot since 2020, both in the US and UK. Still not enough to win in the US, sadly.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 19, 2024 21:20:59 GMT
I am very happy with the moves to enhance States Rights as regards abortion. I feel the same about Gun ownership.
If you think that makes me pro or anti on either, you probably not going to understand very much that I write
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 19, 2024 21:21:02 GMT
I've certain posters on ignore for a reason.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 19, 2024 21:33:26 GMT
2020 was a real low point for humanity, And yes, it was the year that the UK left the EU only four years after the electorate voted to do so. Covid 19 happened in 2020. We all applauded Dok on a Thursday and shafted the next generation on Friday and Saturday. We splurged £500bn on the credit card to fund making banana bread. We agreed that rapists were women if they insisted. Joe Biden became President and Keir Kneeled for George Floyd.
Nobody covered themselves in glory
But that is history and it is petty of me to bring it up
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 19, 2024 21:34:44 GMT
I've certain posters on ignore for a reason. And you are banned from much of the Forum for reasons. Mostly a duty of care. |
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Post by right on Jul 19, 2024 22:10:33 GMT
I wouldn't trust Russell Brand to tell me the answer for "what is 2+2?". He's a grifter. He's a sham. He's perfect for the New Gilead. He's a grifter and all that. But he is (or was) a grifter for your side. But it genuinely surprised me that it was a decent explanation of the underlying dynamics of think tank life. I'm quite happy to suffer the ridicule if I point out something that's surprising. And the Agenda 2025 stuff IS a grift. It's an excuse for Democrats to keep supporting really poor candidates. |
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Post by right on Jul 19, 2024 22:21:02 GMT
Zuckerberg says one minute that he won't endorse Trump and the next minute that his getting up off the floor was "one of the most badass moment of my life". Quite the juxtaposition Mark.
There have been a string of tech bros coming out for Trump, or in Zuck's case not against him. Zuck is quite a strong Democrat normally and I believe had visited Iowa just to, you know, look around.
The tech community is going to still be heavily Democrat, but whether it's because Trump is killing Biden's AI directive or just that they sense where power is going, many of the live players are treating Trump VERY differently from the last election.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 19, 2024 22:23:57 GMT
I wouldn't trust Russell Brand to tell me the answer for "what is 2+2?". He's a grifter. He's a sham. He's perfect for the New Gilead. He's a grifter and all that. But he is (or was) a grifter for your side. But it genuinely surprised me that it was a decent explanation of the underlying dynamics of think tank life. I'm quite happy to suffer the ridicule if I point out something that's surprising. And the Agenda 2025 stuff IS a grift. It's an excuse for Democrats to keep supporting really poor candidates. I am far from convinced that Brand is a grifter. If he was in it for the money his former stances were much more lucrative. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 19, 2024 22:40:56 GMT
Zuckerberg says one minute that he won't endorse Trump and the next minute that his getting up off the floor was "one of the most badass moment of my life". Quite the juxtaposition Mark. Why? Surely there's no contradiction in saying that Trump is not fit for office and is offensively obtuse, which he is, and that his visage in making that fist will be an image of the first half of the century and a profile in courage? All three are true. |
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Post by tomc on Jul 19, 2024 23:58:39 GMT
He's a grifter and all that. But he is (or was) a grifter for your side. But it genuinely surprised me that it was a decent explanation of the underlying dynamics of think tank life. I'm quite happy to suffer the ridicule if I point out something that's surprising. And the Agenda 2025 stuff IS a grift. It's an excuse for Democrats to keep supporting really poor candidates. I am far from convinced that Brand is a grifter. If he was in it for the money his former stances were much more lucrative. Not any more and there's a lot of competition to be a mainstream grifter on the BBC and you'll not get the gig if you've been accused of molesting women. All these Youtubers who comment on world affairs or politics are prisoners of their audiences who are fickle to a degree newspaper readers never were, this goes for Owen Jones and the big US channels, the Young Turks etc, you can sometimes sense their reluctance to go along with narratives their viewers demand. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 20, 2024 2:23:01 GMT
Joseph Biden from 1979 to 2024
it makes me think that if he had been elected President in 1988,
he might have managed to
(a) stop Trump from becoming President
(b) stop Bush and/or Bush and/or Clinton from becoming President
some of those hypothetical counterfactuals may or my not be good or bad
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 20, 2024 4:13:43 GMT
I am far from convinced that Brand is a grifter. If he was in it for the money his former stances were much more lucrative. Not any more and there's a lot of competition to be a mainstream grifter on the BBC and you'll not get the gig if you've been accused of molesting women. All these Youtubers who comment on world affairs or politics are prisoners of their audiences who are fickle to a degree newspaper readers never were, this goes for Owen Jones and the big US channels, the Young Turks etc, you can sometimes sense their reluctance to go along with narratives their viewers demand. I agree with your general point but Brand's shift came when he was a still doing very well in the "mainstream" and before the accusations were made public. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 20, 2024 4:59:37 GMT
Once upon a time, Russell Brand was feted as a sort of left-wing poet-cum-philosopher by the media. The Guardian ran all manner of fawning articles about him; the New Statesman made him a guest editor; politicians sought out his endorsement.
Weirdly, it turns out that, actually, everyone knew he was a pseudo-intellectual poseur and a wrong 'un the whole time.
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Post by right on Jul 20, 2024 5:37:40 GMT
Once upon a time, Russell Brand was feted as a sort of left-wing poet-cum-philosopher by the media. The Guardian ran all manner of fawning articles about him; the New Statesman made him a guest editor; politicians sought out his endorsement. Weirdly, it turns out that, actually, everyone knew he was a pseudo-intellectual poseur and a wrong 'un the whole time. And this is why I am prepared to risk some ridicule on his behalf. I shared that view before it became fashionable, and to some extent still do at least about the style and I'm sure there are some stances that are ill formed. But I wasn't expecting a well grounded discussion on the relationship of think tanks to incoming Presidential administrations. That's all. |
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Post by right on Jul 20, 2024 6:16:08 GMT
Zuckerberg says one minute that he won't endorse Trump and the next minute that his getting up off the floor was "one of the most badass moment of my life". Quite the juxtaposition Mark. Why? Surely there's no contradiction in saying that Trump is not fit for office and is offensively obtuse, which he is, and that his visage in making that fist will be an image of the first half of the century and a profile in courage? All three are true. He's stood back from the fray. He tended to be a lot clearer as a Democrat, indeed he was part of the move to get Trump out of mainstream social media. This is particularly interesting now that you have economic Populists like Vance and Josh Hawley who view mainstream platforms like Facebook in the same way Progressives and Populists viewed railway companies at the turn of the Twentieth Century. Zuckerberg's self image is that he's a socially liberal Democrat, not even that right wing on economics. His family background is very much around this as well. He may have been studiously non political before Trump, but that was a different time. This is more surprising to me than Musk giving significant sums to Trump. But both of those indicates a mood shift among the live players in tech, something I don't believe will trickle down so much to the silicon valley worker bees. There's a long post on this shift here (I read this author a lot, but I suspect his style may be irritating for someone new to him), focusing on the AI implications and written before Zuch's non-endorsement of Trump: www.lesswrong.com/posts/fM4Bs9nanDzio3xCq/ai-73-openly-evil-ai#The_Other_Quest_Regarding_Regulations |
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