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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 19:26:37 GMT
Part of me, and not the better part, wants Biden to stubbornly stay to see what they pull out next It's so funny how Biden's biggest backers are now *checks notes* squad members Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Cori Bush and Ilhan Omar, and not Obama or Schumer. And the Black Caucus. What are they playing at? Kamala? Four years of radicalisation under Trump? Controlling Biden? Surely the Dems will have to choose a left wing candidate if there's even a hint they're going to a convention |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 18, 2024 19:27:08 GMT
critical race theory is valid. Scots and Irish areas  Utterly shocking to see motorways and railways largely serving Belfast and its extensive commuter belt rather than the sparsely populated west of the province. CRT explains how the commuter belt came into being, now the Ethnic cleansing of the West Bank of the Foyle shows the economic and social discrimination against Ulster Scots from the Fountain to the Quay
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 18, 2024 19:34:02 GMT
Always check the rules, processes and procedures of the party in question. Harris is the only alternative whose nomination would not entail messy scenes and potential bad PR live on national television.
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Post by johng on Jul 18, 2024 20:06:38 GMT
Always check the rules, processes and procedures of the party in question. Harris is the only alternative whose nomination would not entail messy scenes and potential bad PR live on national television. But everyone knows Kamala would be disastrous against Trump.
Likely worse than Biden.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 20:22:40 GMT
Always check the rules, processes and procedures of the party in question. Harris is the only alternative whose nomination would not entail messy scenes and potential bad PR live on national television. I think that's correct, especially the latter half of what you say. In 1968, they swapped out Lyndon Johnson with his Vice President, Hubert Humphrey, so in this case the cleanest option is Biden un-pledges the delegates before the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and they nominate Kamala Harris. However, like Humphrey in 1968, I don't believe Kamala would win, not least (and in large part) because Johnson withdrew after New Hampshire rather than before the convention (not that you can credibly compare 'primaries' as they existed in 1968 to the modern* nominating process. *by which I mean the process sans super delegates after the post-2016 reforms which relegated super delegates to only voting on a second ballot and axed many caucuses (funnily enough while axing super delegates probably helped Sanders and similar candidates, removing caucuses seems to have had the opposite impact. I think Iowa is the only caucus state left now, and even then it's got less priority and purchase in its outcome's germaneness to the overall thrust of the primaries than it was did or (dare I say it, whisper it here) deserved to have. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 18, 2024 20:58:15 GMT
Always check the rules, processes and procedures of the party in question. Harris is the only alternative whose nomination would not entail messy scenes and potential bad PR live on national television. Its Harris. It always was Harris. Anyone who does not like ought to have whined when she was chosen as VP. |
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Post by observer on Jul 18, 2024 20:58:24 GMT
That map may show discrimination. It doesn't have anything to do with CRT No. As a trained social scientist it is clear to me this is a fine example of CRT in action, a finer example would be the Popery Act of 1704 which destroyed Irish land ownership and tenure through the enforced abandonment of the laws of premagenature and allowed for the British to gain control of 97% of arable land. The Free state reversed this and by 1929 the Irish owned 97% It's an utterly blind alley and extremely damaging. You talk of primogeniture and land ownership. But England too suffered the concentration of land with the Enclosure Act which had the effect of making a landless working class. Why would anyone want to work down a mine when they had land? Before the Enclosure Act someone could work for somebody else for, say, a few months - and then go back to the land if pay was cut or if other circumstances became too onerous. But not when your land had gone! Hence the Enclosure Act as employers gained the upper hand. You see in parts of the world still...or possibly did until recently...that capitalism is held back without an available and needy working class. It's to do with class, not race. Wealth. Your genes don't matter. My family has no land. But even if we wanted to, would it be wise to have a system in which all the wrongs of yesteryear were righted? Should English land be seized and shared out? The liberal way is the only way. We ensure that everyone has the chance to get on. That they have education. The same rights in law as everyone else. A safety net. We can't go revisiting injustices from hundreds or thousands of years ago. We have to go forward. CRT, of course, despises liberalism as its mortal enemy which it is |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 18, 2024 21:02:54 GMT
would it be wise to have a system in which all the wrongs of yesteryear were righted? Should English land be seized and shared out? Very good question. On balance, my view is yes. I would however compensate them at market price five years after I have abolished all the subsidies they have awarded themselves. And I would tax them on the capital gain. Although this may be the wrong thread |
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Post by observer on Jul 18, 2024 21:08:54 GMT
would it be wise to have a system in which all the wrongs of yesteryear were righted? Should English land be seized and shared out? Very good question. On balance, my view is yes. I would however compensate them at market price five years after I have abolished all the subsidies they have awarded themselves. And I would tax them on the capital gain. Although this may be the wrong thread But it's not just about land. The creation of a landless working class powered the Industrial Revolution and the capitalist era. Should entrepreneurs have their offices and factories seized and the proceeds shared among us all? Worldwide. Civilisation would collapse |
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 21:09:03 GMT
Always check the rules, processes and procedures of the party in question. Harris is the only alternative whose nomination would not entail messy scenes and potential bad PR live on national television. Its Harris. It always was Harris. Anyone who does not like ought to have whined when she was chosen as VP. Perhaps she'll poll better when she's actually in place as President? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 18, 2024 21:41:00 GMT
Possibly. That's down to her.
Offices and factories have a value based on what they produce. And they exist because someone created them. Recently. Or what someone recently maintained as their value
Land has a value based on what all other land is currently worth based on the many restrictions that are placed upon it. In any case, the Crown has always retained the right to attainder the land so if all that occurs is that it is purchased at 110% of current market value under CPO then there really is not a lot to bitch about although I accept that the descendants of land robbers, cattle thieves and court prostitutes will nevertheless bitch because like Labour they have DNA
Still the wrong bloody thread
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Post by observer on Jul 18, 2024 21:49:55 GMT
Possibly. That's down to her. Offices and factories have a value based on what they produce. And they exist because someone created them. Recently. Or what someone recently maintained as their value Land has a value based on what all other land is currently worth based on the many restrictions that are placed upon it. In any case, the Crown has always retained the right to attainder the land so if all that occurs is that it is purchased at 110% of current market value under CPO then there really is not a lot to bitch about although I accept that the descendants of land robbers, cattle thieves and court prostitutes will nevertheless bitch because like Labour they have DNA Still the wrong bloody thread An interesting discussion! |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 18, 2024 21:57:08 GMT
Still the wrong bloody thread An interesting discussion! Yes, but we won't see Labour hacks like The Bishop and Davıd Boothroyd engaging in that. Until they have a clear party steer. |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 18, 2024 22:16:05 GMT
Always check the rules, processes and procedures of the party in question. Harris is the only alternative whose nomination would not entail messy scenes and potential bad PR live on national television. But everyone knows Kamala would be disastrous against Trump.
Likely worse than Biden.
You do know she’s been matching Trump in polls for months right, that’s part of the reason the Democratic hierarchy is turning on Biden, they now see a credible path to victory for her. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 18, 2024 22:17:07 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Jul 18, 2024 22:33:25 GMT
I’m beginning to wonder if Biden might not merely withdraw as candidate, but might actually resign as President straight away, in order to give Kamala Harris the advantage of being an incumbent President seeking re-election. Would that make it easier for her to win the election in November?
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Post by timmullen on Jul 18, 2024 22:45:35 GMT
I’m beginning to wonder if Biden might not merely withdraw as candidate, but might actually resign as President straight away, in order to give Kamal Harris the advantage of being an incumbent President seeking re-election. Would that make it easier for her to win the election in November? This close I’d say no, there’s not really much she can do, especially as Congress is in its annual let’s spend weeks voting on Appropriations Bills that probably won’t pass until next year. The only things it might do is give her a greater public exposure (like Biden’s actually good TV address condemning the assassination attempt on Trump). |
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Post by graham on Jul 18, 2024 22:50:10 GMT
I’m beginning to wonder if Biden might not merely withdraw as candidate, but might actually resign as President straight away, in order to give Kamala Harris the advantage of being an incumbent President seeking re-election. Would that make it easier for her to win the election in November? I have thought the same thing. As the first female President she would be likely to enjoy a honeymoon incumbency boost. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 18, 2024 22:53:34 GMT
No. As a trained social scientist it is clear to me this is a fine example of CRT in action, a finer example would be the Popery Act of 1704 which destroyed Irish land ownership and tenure through the enforced abandonment of the laws of premagenature and allowed for the British to gain control of 97% of arable land. The Free state reversed this and by 1929 the Irish owned 97% It's an utterly blind alley and extremely damaging. You talk of primogeniture and land ownership. But England too suffered the concentration of land with the Enclosure Act which had the effect of making a landless working class. Why would anyone want to work down a mine when they had land? Before the Enclosure Act someone could work for somebody else for, say, a few months - and then go back to the land if pay was cut or if other circumstances became too onerous. But not when your land had gone! Hence the Enclosure Act as employers gained the upper hand. You see in parts of the world still...or possibly did until recently...that capitalism is held back without an available and needy working class. It's to do with class, not race. Wealth. Your genes don't matter. My family has no land. But even if we wanted to, would it be wise to have a system in which all the wrongs of yesteryear were righted? Should English land be seized and shared out? The liberal way is the only way. We ensure that everyone has the chance to get on. That they have education. The same rights in law as everyone else. A safety net. We can't go revisiting injustices from hundreds or thousands of years ago. We have to go forward. CRT, of course, despises liberalism as its mortal enemy which it is What utter nonsense. Primogeniture was removed from the Irish landowners in Ireland but not the non Irish landowners in Ireland. The laws imposed were based on "race" and religion. In 1922 British Protestant landowners owned 97% of the arable land in Ireland. Nothing to do with the Agricultural Revolution which was based on Dutch methodology and introduced by returning Royalist exiles in the 17c Scotland differed as is shown in my local area as we still had slavery 
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 18, 2024 22:57:01 GMT
Ah, Balbirnie. My grandparent's home.
This BTW is the reason that Whigs despise Tories
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