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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 12:00:41 GMT
For America, I would hazard a guess that AOC is more extreme for the general population than DeSantis. Depends which bit of the general population you are talking about. I mean as a whole. Americans seem more socially & economically conservative as a whole than us. But that’s just my perception.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 10, 2022 12:12:40 GMT
The point about AOC is that she is clearly more pragmatic and practically minded than certain others in "the squad".
(needless to say, this has attracted "sellout" accusations from the usual suspects)
2024 is still too soon, but don't rule out her appearing on a Democratic ticket for POTUS in due course.
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 10, 2022 12:19:28 GMT
The point about AOC is that she is clearly more pragmatic and practically minded than certain others in "the squad". (needless to say, this has attracted "sellout" accusations from the usual suspects) 2024 is still too soon, but don't rule out her appearing on a Democratic ticket for POTUS in due course. She is clearly a very smart political operator, and very young by America’s gerontocratic standards. Undoubtedly we will hear a lot more of her in future.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Nov 10, 2022 12:59:42 GMT
Kamala Harris is unlikely to be selected, and even less likely to choose AOC as running mate, who is far from a extremist. Tha description applies far more to the homophobic DeSantis. For America, I would hazard a guess that AOC is more extreme for the general population than DeSantis. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has never hurt anyone
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 13:05:37 GMT
For America, I would hazard a guess that AOC is more extreme for the general population than DeSantis. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has never hurt anyone Wikipedia tells me he plays for Liverpool. That’s bad enough!
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Post by john07 on Nov 10, 2022 19:01:06 GMT
For America, I would hazard a guess that AOC is more extreme for the general population than DeSantis. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has never hurt anyone Have there been any positive sightings of him on a football pitch this season?
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Post by jamesdoyle on Nov 10, 2022 19:55:26 GMT
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has never hurt anyone Have there been any positive sightings of him on a football pitch this season? Last night...
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Post by mattbewilson on Nov 10, 2022 20:03:53 GMT
The point about AOC is that she is clearly more pragmatic and practically minded than certain others in "the squad". (needless to say, this has attracted "sellout" accusations from the usual suspects) 2024 is still too soon, but don't rule out her appearing on a Democratic ticket for POTUS in due course. the squad is pretty small tbf
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Post by mattbewilson on Nov 10, 2022 20:08:30 GMT
Kamala Harris is unlikely to be selected, and even less likely to choose AOC as running mate, who is far from a extremist. Tha description applies far more to the homophobic DeSantis. For America, I would hazard a guess that AOC is more extreme for the general population than DeSantis. DeSantis probably isn't even the most extreme statewide politician in Florida
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Post by stb12 on Nov 10, 2022 22:20:12 GMT
My early prediction for 2024: Ron DeSantis gets the GOP nomination, running mate is someone MAGA friendly but not a swivelled eye conspiracy theorist. Biden doesn't run, Kamala Harris is nominated, running mate is a woke extremist like AOC. DeSantis wins by a fair but not overwhelming margin. Kamala Harris is unlikely to be selected, and even less likely to choose AOC as running mate, who is far from a extremist. Tha description applies far more to the homophobic DeSantis. I certainly don’t agree with all of DeSantis’ politics by any means but he was notably very anti-lockdown restrictions, something you and I would approve of. Apparently the fact he kept businesses going with minimal restrictions has played a part in his popularity
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Post by ibfc on Nov 11, 2022 8:23:24 GMT
Kamala Harris is unlikely to be selected, and even less likely to choose AOC as running mate, who is far from a extremist. Tha description applies far more to the homophobic DeSantis. I certainly don’t agree with all of DeSantis’ politics by any means but he was notably very anti-lockdown restrictions, something you and I would approve of. Apparently the fact he kept businesses going with minimal restrictions has played a part in his popularity I mean DeSantis won the classic swing state of the first two decades of this century by a margin not seen since Reconstruction in a year Democrats generally over performed while AOC routinely underperforms other Dems in her extremely Blue district. Not sure why so many people are engaging with a ludicrous assertion that reflects the poster more than reality.
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Post by matureleft on Nov 11, 2022 8:38:30 GMT
Of the Democrat governors who demonstrates some potential for a run? While it’s understandable that Biden is saying that he’ll run again I would be surprised if he stuck to that, still less that he handles a contested primary process.
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Post by rockefeller on Nov 11, 2022 8:42:49 GMT
The idea that AOC, a fully paid up member of the Democratic Socialists of America, would get through the primary, and be elected President of the USA, is fanciful (and I say this as an AOC fan).
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Post by ibfc on Nov 11, 2022 8:47:16 GMT
Of the Democrat governors who demonstrates some potential for a run? While it’s understandable that Biden is saying that he’ll run again I would be surprised if he stuck to that, still less that he handles a contested primary process. Given Harris’ gender and colour, it would be improbable for her to not come through a primary as incumbent VP if the President doesn’t run.
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Post by rockefeller on Nov 11, 2022 8:53:49 GMT
Should Biden bow out, the most likely nominees are Harris, Newsom, Ossoff or Whitmer. I could see Buttigieg as VP candidate.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 11, 2022 9:03:37 GMT
I certainly don’t agree with all of DeSantis’ politics by any means but he was notably very anti-lockdown restrictions, something you and I would approve of. Apparently the fact he kept businesses going with minimal restrictions has played a part in his popularity I mean DeSantis won the classic swing state of the first two decades of this century by a margin not seen since Reconstruction in a year Democrats generally over performed while AOC routinely underperforms other Dems in her extremely Blue district. Not sure why so many people are engaging with a ludicrous assertion that reflects the poster more than reality. But you are assuming that right wing views are centrist because they have popularity among part of the electorate It does not make them any less right wing.
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Post by ibfc on Nov 11, 2022 9:16:49 GMT
I mean DeSantis won the classic swing state of the first two decades of this century by a margin not seen since Reconstruction in a year Democrats generally over performed while AOC routinely underperforms other Dems in her extremely Blue district. Not sure why so many people are engaging with a ludicrous assertion that reflects the poster more than reality. But you are assuming that right wing views are centrist because they have popularity among part of the electorate It does not make them any less right wing. Exactly your assumption in the mirror.
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 11, 2022 9:28:51 GMT
Meanwhile, journalists have been invited to Nar-A-Lago in Tuesday where the former President will be making “a significant announcement”.
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Post by matureleft on Nov 11, 2022 10:26:20 GMT
If Trump runs the Republicans are losers whatever the outcome (short of his health failing).
He’s demonstrated his extreme marmite effect several times. Those who love him, while numerous, are outnumbered and he motivates those who fear and distrust him. He’s also demonstrated both negligible party loyalty, a desire to motivate his supporters for his own agenda and to pursue personal intra-party vendettas. Thus should he win the nomination he’s a likely General Election loser. Should he lose the nomination he’ll be a bitter and destructive voice with a large personal following unwilling to support any strategy of the winner and probably dooming their run.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 11, 2022 10:45:11 GMT
I certainly don’t agree with all of DeSantis’ politics by any means but he was notably very anti-lockdown restrictions, something you and I would approve of. Apparently the fact he kept businesses going with minimal restrictions has played a part in his popularity I mean DeSantis won the classic swing state of the first two decades of this century by a margin not seen since Reconstruction in a year Democrats generally over performed while AOC routinely underperforms other Dems in her extremely Blue district. Not sure why so many people are engaging with a ludicrous assertion that reflects the poster more than reality. Don't the GOP actually waste resources running proper campaigns in her seat, though? Anyway we aren't talking about now or even the immediate future as far as her wider prospects are concerned.
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