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Post by Penddu on Sept 13, 2020 17:49:46 GMT
Cardiff South and Penarth (De Caerdydd a Phenarth) consists of three distinct areas, separated by the Ely and Rhymney rivers. While 2/3rds of the seat is inside of the City and County of Cardiff (Caerdydd), the seat crosses the River Ely to the west into the County Borough of The Vale of Glamorgan ( Y Fro Morgannwg) taking in the town of Penarth. This quiet town is traditionally seen as Cardiff's retirement home, but in reality it is more a commuter suburb which is well connected to Central Cardiff by the local rail network.
The central part of the seat bounded by the South Wales Main Line to the north, is largely post-industrial. It includes the port of Cardiff which was once the largest coal exporting port in the world, but is now the heart of a thriving waterfront based development around Cardiff Bay - which is also home to the Welsh Parliament or Senedd. The former East Moors steelworks has long gone, although two smaller steelworks and smaller industries still remain. There are plenty of modern appartments around the bay and rivers, but the core of this area is the working class districts of Butetown (previously the infamous Tiger Bay), Grangetown, Splott and Tremorfa, which are heavily Labour voting.
The eastern part of this seat across the river Rhymney to the east includes the districts of Llanrumney, Rumney, Trowbridge and St Mellons. These are 1960s & 70s housing estates and are generally Labour leaning. The river Rhymney was formerly the historic boundary between Glamorgan and Monmouthshire, and so this area of the Welsh capital was arguabally in England until this historic anomaly was rectified in 1974, but you wont find many (if any) local residents who believe they are in England.
Overall this seat is pretty safe Labour - and was once represented by UK Prime Minister Jim Callaghan.
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Post by kefin on Sept 13, 2020 21:01:11 GMT
Cardiff South and Penarth (De Caerdydd a Phenarth) consists of three distinct areas, separated by the Ely and Rhymney rivers. While 2/3rds of the seat is inside of the City and County of Cardiff (Caerdydd), the seat crosses the River Ely to the west into the County Borough of The Vale of Glamorgan ( Y Fro Morgannwg) taking in the town of Penarth. This quiet town is traditionally seen as Cardiff's retirement home, but in reality it is more a commuter suburb which is well connected to Central Cardiff by the local rail network. And typically of such areas it is largely Conservative voting. Well if you kind of put to one side that unfortunately 6 out the 8 Penarth Vale of Glamorgan councillors are Labour I suppose |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 14, 2020 1:15:39 GMT
Cardiff South and Penarth (De Caerdydd a Phenarth) consists of three distinct areas, separated by the Ely and Rhymney rivers. While 2/3rds of the seat is inside of the City and County of Cardiff (Caerdydd), the seat crosses the River Ely to the west into the County Borough of The Vale of Glamorgan ( Y Fro Morgannwg) taking in the town of Penarth. This quiet town is traditionally seen as Cardiff's retirement home, but in reality it is more a commuter suburb which is well connected to Central Cardiff by the local rail network. And typically of such areas it is largely Conservative voting. Well if you kind of put to one side that unfortunately 6 out the 8 Penarth Vale of Glamorgan councillors are Labour I suppose Actually the area (including Sully and Llandough) consists of 6 Labour, 4 Independents and 1 Conservative - but I take your point. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 14, 2020 10:09:56 GMT
I always think that Cardiff South and Penarth is the not great seat that is there so that all the other seats in the area are logical good constituencies.
Although, the links between eastern Cardiff and Penarth are better now than they were in 1983, when this seat was created, following the redevelopment of the Bay and the new roads around there
If Penarth has to go into a Cardiff seat, which it more or less does, it would be better with Canton and Ely, but that would require major changes through the city.
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Post by Penddu on Sept 14, 2020 12:26:52 GMT
I always think that Cardiff South and Penarth is the not great seat that is there so that all the other seats in the area are logical good constituencies. Although, the links between eastern Cardiff and Penarth are better now than they were in 1983, when this seat was created, following the redevelopment of the Bay and the new roads around there If Penarth has to go into a Cardiff seat, which it more or less does, it would be better with Canton and Ely, but that would require major changes through the city. Agreed - but probably a moot point once the new boundaries are implemented, wben Cardiff will probably have 3 fully self contained seats - with Penarth joining Barry in a Vale of Glamorgan seat |
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Post by kefin on Sept 14, 2020 12:46:35 GMT
Well if you kind of put to one side that unfortunately 6 out the 8 Penarth Vale of Glamorgan councillors are Labour I suppose Actually the area (including Sully and Llandough) consists of 6 Labour, 4 Independents and 1 Conservative - but I take your point. Well given that neither Sully nor Llandough are in Penarth then I'm struggling with your expanded area example? Lets not get too carried away with something that's not all that important anyway but Penarth currently has 6 Labour and two turncoat councillors out of 8 allocated to the town. I would agree that it's surprising that Penarth has such labour representation but thems the facts, unfortunately for the residents. Penarth Town Council is also unfortunately for the town, run by a labour majority just to reinforce the above. |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 14, 2020 15:00:21 GMT
The 'expanded' area is all of the Vale of Glamorgan district which lies within Cardiff South constituency. The Penarth bit of the constituency.
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Post by kefin on Sept 14, 2020 16:17:18 GMT
The 'expanded' area is all of the Vale of Glamorgan district which lies within Cardiff South constituency. The Penarth bit of the constituency. Neither Sully nor Llandough are in Penarth which is what you erroneously claimed votes Conservative when it clearly doesn't as it returns 6 labour councillors out of the 8 in the town. And I'm not sure how lumping in two independent councillors in Sully ( which isn't in Penarth anyway) as a bizarre justification of your 'votes Conservative' assessment helps your argument. So you're now saying that Penarth votes Conservative despite including two areas that aren't in Penarth and increases the margin of non Conservative councillors by another one anyway to 8 non Conservative councillors to 3 which is a greater non conservative margin than you started out with in the first place. Please don't tell me that you're Gwlad's education or economic spokesperson. Having said that, genuinely thanks for your assessments of the various constituencies as a service to others but please include corrections where appropriate as in this case from those local to the area who know better and can better inform you and others of the actual situation that you may not be aware of. |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 14, 2020 16:35:14 GMT
Kefin, I will correct my post but just for the record I live in this constituency - albeit in the eastern end, and I am not as familiar with the western end. I have also just posted a review of Cardiff West where i was born.
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Post by kefin on Sept 14, 2020 18:56:31 GMT
Kefin, I will correct my post but just for the record I live in this constituency - albeit in the eastern end, and I am not as familiar with the western end. I have also just posted a review of Cardiff West where i was born. Which is why I helpfully pointed out the slight discrepancy using my own local knowledge in order to help you have a more accurate report seeing as you put so much time and effort into it for the benefit of others. You then doubled down by including different areas. I personally know one of the Independent councillors that you claim actually are Penarth councillors is furious that you may have inadvertently suggested that his independent tag may qualify him as sympathetic towards the Conservative party. He's spitting feathers as we speak. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 14, 2020 19:22:36 GMT
Like the profile, just one minor point which may or may not be relevant - the areas around Grangetown have some of the largest ethnic minority populations in Wales (only Pillgwenlly in Newport is higher iirc). Might that be worth a mention?
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Post by Penddu on Sept 14, 2020 19:27:24 GMT
Kefin - I will defer to your superior local knowledge and will correct the article accordingly. I had always believed Penarth to be a conservative reserve.
But I did not claim that the independent councillor was a 'condependent'.
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Post by Penddu on Sept 14, 2020 19:30:03 GMT
Like the profile, just one minor point which may or may not be relevant - the areas around Grangetown have some of the largest ethnic minority populations in Wales (only Pillgwenlly in Newport is higher iirc). Might that be worth a mention? Yes - together with Butetown. I will check the numbers and add something appropriate. |
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Post by kefin on Sept 14, 2020 20:51:20 GMT
Kefin - I will defer to your superior local knowledge and will correct the article accordingly. I had always believed Penarth to be a conservative reserve. But I did not claim that the independent councillor was a 'condependent'. Thats fine, I'll stop spitting feathers then. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 14, 2020 21:17:58 GMT
Kefin - I will defer to your superior local knowledge and will correct the article accordingly. I had always believed Penarth to be a conservative reserve. But I did not claim that the independent councillor was a 'condependent'. Thats fine, I'll stop spitting feathers then. On my last visit to Penarth, having left the railway station one of the first shops we came across was a harp shop. This is . . . unusual, even in Wales. |
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Post by kefin on Sept 14, 2020 21:31:28 GMT
Thats fine, I'll stop spitting feathers then. On my last visit to Penarth, having left the railway station one of the first shops we came across was a harp shop. This is . . . unusual, even in Wales. Thats correct just on the left 30 yards from the station. We just can't get enough of harps around this way, If we're not watching endless repeats of old Eisteddfods on primetime Saturday evening on S4C we're out buying harps. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 14, 2020 21:42:42 GMT
On my last visit to Penarth, having left the railway station one of the first shops we came across was a harp shop. This is . . . unusual, even in Wales. Thats correct just on the left 30 yards from the station. We just can't get enough of harps around this way, If we're not watching endless repeats of old Eisteddfods on primetime Saturday evening on S4C we're out buying harps. Just because they showed the 2019 Gig on Saturday! Not many harps on that.  |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 15, 2020 17:50:36 GMT
harping on as always...
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Post by cibwr on Sept 19, 2020 14:38:09 GMT
Well a few things, Cardiff South and Penarth - as has been pointed out, is much more mixed than above. Grangetown has returned Liberal Democrat, Labour and Plaid councillors in the last 15 years.... Eastern Cardiff is a mix of more conservative Rumney and more Labour Llanrumney. Butetown, also has elected Liberal Democrats, Labour and independent councillors (the redoubtable Betty Campbell)... It is also home of the Coal Exchange, where the world price of coal was set and where the first million pound cheque was exchanged.
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Post by Robert Waller on Feb 25, 2021 19:58:36 GMT
2011 Census
Owner-occupied 56.2% 526/650
Private rented 21.0% 106/650
Social rented 20.7% 198/650
White 83.3% 511/650
Black 3.9% 122/650
Asian 7.3% 166/650
Mixed 3.3% 115/650
Managerial & professional 31.8%
Routine & Semi-routine 25.3%
Degree level 29.4% 202/650
No qualifications 25.6% 227/650
Students 8.3% 210/650
Age 65+ 13.6% 522/650
2021 Census
Owner occupied 55.0% 459/573
Private rented 24.4% 124/573
Social rented 20.7% 135/573
White 77.4%
Black 5.7%
Asian 9.1%
Mixed 4.3%
Managerial & professional 32.8% 273/573
Routine & Semi-routine 22.9% 316/573
Degree level 37.5% 142/573
No qualifications 19.9% 200/573
General Election 2019: Cardiff South and Penarth
Party Candidate Votes % ±%
Labour Co-op Stephen Doughty 27,382 54.1 −5.4
Conservative Phillippa Broom 14,645 29.0 −1.2
Liberal Democrats Dan Schmeising 2,985 5.9 +3.1
Plaid Cymru Nasir Adam 2,386 4.7 +0.4
Brexit Party Tim Price 1,999 4.0 N
Green Ken Barker 1,182 2.3 +1.3
Lab Majority 12,737 25.1 -3.8
Turnout 50,579 64.2 −2.1
Registered electors 78,837
Labour hold
Swing 2.1 Lab to C
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