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Post by YL on May 27, 2020 16:40:20 GMT
Cambridge has one (Cas-grawnt) I think . Curiously that looks closer to "Grantchester" than to "Cambridge". Then you can look at the "Lloegr" section in the "Dinasoedd y DU" box at the bottom for several more: e.g. Llundain, Manceinion, Lerpwl, Rhydychen, Efrog, Caersallog. Some of these are also not very close to the border, but they are generally old cities. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 16:44:57 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 27, 2020 16:58:20 GMT
Shrewsbury is a rare English town with an alternative name in Welsh - Amwythig ("fortified place"). It's the hub of the Welsh railway network with links to the main lines in both north and south Wales as well as being the start of the Cambrian and Heart of Wales lines through mid and west Wales. This is because there's no internal connection between the three main lines in Wales itself. (Despite this Welsh organisations generally hold their all-Wales meetings in Wales. However exceptions have included the Welsh Assembly government meeting council & industry representatives over transport policy.) I'm slightly puzzled by what exactly you mean here. Is it that Welsh names are uncommon in towns, rather than cities? That the Welsh form is unrelated to the English (Llundain and London might just have a common origin)? Or that there are two alternative Welsh names# ? # Giraldus Cambrensis placed the historic Pengwern at Shrewsbury, but that is pretty discredited today. As a child I was occasionally told that the Welsh name for Shrewsbury was Pengwern (but more often that it was Amwythig). There is a Pengwern Rowing Club in the town and a few businesses use the name. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 27, 2020 17:02:45 GMT
Birmingham is apparently too "new" to warrant a Welsh name, but Leominster, a favourite place of mine, is Llanlieni, the holy place in Leon, which is a rough translation of the English name. And Rhydychen is a direct translation of Ox(en)ford.
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 27, 2020 17:08:38 GMT
And let's not forget the Welsh towns with distinct English and Welsh identities. Swansea/Abertawe, Fishguard/Abergwaun, Hay-on-Wye/Y Gelli Gandryll, Presteigne/Llanandras and many more.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on May 28, 2020 3:21:44 GMT
It's a very detailed and good preview, but one small point. Wouldn't Telford be more marginal in the long term? The swing and subsequent large majority for Lucy Allan in 2019 was out of character for the seat. If nothing else, the agricultural element here means that there's a much higher floor for the Conservatives, unless they really are stupid enough to force through a Free Trade Agreement with the USA. Of course an extra factor in Telford last year was controversy over the candidate: the man the local party wanted was prevented from standing due to the imposition of an AWS. He's a very popular man in Dawley at least and considered pulling a Peter Law, but was eventually convinced to stand as a paper candidate at Ludlow instead. But sentiment locally was, I gather, not appeased and I wonder how much effort elements in the (normally very effective, despite its small size) local party put in, under the circumstances. Thanks for the local info. I would have thought that too, given that Telford is pretty much entirely an urban constituency and Labour have only won S&A twice compared to Telford/The Wrekin,which has been won many more times. The AWS had caused problems in Reading and District LP too, so I'm not entirely surprised if people didn't make much effort to support a candidate they didn't want. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 28, 2020 8:50:20 GMT
# Giraldus Cambrensis placed the historic Pengwern at Shrewsbury, but that is pretty discredited today. As a child I was occasionally told that the Welsh name for Shrewsbury was Pengwern (but more often that it was Amwythig). There is a Pengwern Rowing Club in the town and a few businesses use the name. Presumably by the same wannabe Iolo Morgannwgs who tell you that Liverpool is Llynlleifiad, Bristol is Caerodor, and Glastonbury is Ynys Afallon. Although at least with Pengwern there's a case to be made that it was Wroxeter. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 28, 2020 9:01:54 GMT
Birmingham is apparently too "new" to warrant a Welsh name, but Leominster, a favourite place of mine, is Llanlieni, the holy place in Leon, which is a rough translation of the English name. And Rhydychen is a direct translation of Ox(en)ford. But unusually for places without Welsh names, Birmingham will often mutate in spoken Welsh, e.g. mynd i Firmingham (going to Birmingham). Probably shouldn't, but it sounds right. I'm not sure I'd say "ym Mirmingham" (in Birmingham), but apparently it's good enough for the BBC... |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 28, 2020 9:23:03 GMT
Cambridge has one (Cas-grawnt) I think . Curiously that looks closer to "Grantchester" than to "Cambridge". Then you can look at the "Lloegr" section in the "Dinasoedd y DU" box at the bottom for several more: e.g. Llundain, Manceinion, Lerpwl, Rhydychen, Efrog, Caersallog. Some of these are also not very close to the border, but they are generally old cities. Just like Munich, Milan, and Malacca aren't very close to the borders of England... There are also a handful of Welsh exonyms for places outside Britain – Rhufain and Efrog Newydd are the two that immediately spring to mind (there are also ones like Moscfa where the Welsh name is basically a transliteration, but English uses an exonym). |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 28, 2020 9:37:34 GMT
Birmingham is apparently too "new" to warrant a Welsh name, but Leominster, a favourite place of mine, is Llanlieni, the holy place in Leon, which is a rough translation of the English name. And Rhydychen is a direct translation of Ox(en)ford. But unusually for places without Welsh names, Birmingham will often mutate in spoken Welsh, e.g. mynd i Firmingham (going to Birmingham). Probably shouldn't, but it sounds right. I'm not sure I'd say "ym Mirmingham" (in Birmingham), but apparently it's good enough for the BBC... Well, as you probably know, there are (at least) two Welsh-speaking churches in Birmingham city centre catering for the diaspora - the Congregationalist church by the Gunmaker's Arms, and the Bethel Presbeterian church on Holloway Circus. The way to find out would be to visit either of those establishments. Or join the Canoldir Male Voice Choir. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 28, 2020 9:38:22 GMT
Caergrawnt. Curiously that looks closer to "Grantchester" than to "Cambridge". Then you can look at the "Lloegr" section in the "Dinasoedd y DU" box at the bottom for several more: e.g. Llundain, Manceinion, Lerpwl, Rhydychen, Efrog, Caersallog. Some of these are also not very close to the border, but they are generally old cities. Just like Munich, Milan, and Malacca aren't very close to the borders of England... There are also a handful of Welsh exonyms for places outside Britain – Rhufain and Efrog Newydd are the two that immediately spring to mind (there are also ones like Moscfa where the Welsh name is basically a transliteration, but English uses an exonym). I particularly like Papwa Gini Newydd. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 28, 2020 11:35:09 GMT
But unusually for places without Welsh names, Birmingham will often mutate in spoken Welsh, e.g. mynd i Firmingham (going to Birmingham). Probably shouldn't, but it sounds right. I'm not sure I'd say "ym Mirmingham" (in Birmingham), but apparently it's good enough for the BBC... Well, as you probably know, there are (at least) two Welsh-speaking churches in Birmingham city centre catering for the diaspora - the Congregationalist church by the Gunmaker's Arms, and the Bethel Presbeterian church on Holloway Circus. The way to find out would be to visit either of those establishments. Or join the Canoldir Male Voice Choir. For what it's worth I would use the mutation and use ym Mirmingham. (Ym Marselona sounds right too) |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 28, 2020 11:38:33 GMT
Just like Munich, Milan, and Malacca aren't very close to the borders of England... There are also a handful of Welsh exonyms for places outside Britain – Rhufain and Efrog Newydd are the two that immediately spring to mind (there are also ones like Moscfa where the Welsh name is basically a transliteration, but English uses an exonym). I particularly like Papwa Gini Newydd. Splendid. My opportunity to mention that PNG is the only country in the world to have a particular pastime as its national sport.  |
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Post by Robert Waller on May 13, 2021 11:51:32 GMT
2011 Census
Age 65+ 19.2% 169/650
Owner-occupied 68.8% 259/650
Private rented 14.8% 290/650
Social rented 14.4% 378/650
White 97.2% 207/650
Black 0.2% 529/650
Asian 1.6% 398/650
Managerial & professional 33.1%
Routine & Semi-routine 26.1%
Part time employee 16.8% 5/650
Degree level 29.3% 209 /650
No qualifications 20.5% 436/650
Students 6.8% 333/650
2021 Census
Owner occupied 68.1% 231/573
Private rented 17.8% 300/573
Social rented 14.1% 332/573
White 95.6%
Black 0.4%
Asian 2.1%
Managerial & professional 35.2% 222/573
Routine & Semi-routine 23.8% 289/573
Degree level 34.9% 205/573
No qualifications 15.0% 425/573
General Election 2019: Shrewsbury and Atcham
Party Candidate Votes % ±%
Conservative Daniel Kawczynski 31,021 52.5 +2.6
Labour Julia Buckley 19,804 33.5 -5.1
Liberal Democrats Nat Green 5,906 10.0 +2.7
Green Julian Dean 1,762 3.0 +1.2
Independent Hannah Locke 572 1.0
C Majority 11,217 19.0 +7.6
Turnout 59,065 71.8 -1.8
Conservative hold
Swing 3.9 Lab to C
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 13, 2022 9:26:58 GMT
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 13, 2022 10:15:52 GMT
I believe there is a second investigation ongoing looking at whether he used his Commons office for non parliamentary work?
That should IMO be more interesting than a lack of an apology.
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Post by batman on Jan 13, 2022 17:21:07 GMT
I believe there is a second investigation ongoing looking at whether he used his Commons office for non parliamentary work? That should IMO be more interesting than a lack of an apology. he is extremely tall and can't easily fit into only one office |
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 13, 2022 20:40:01 GMT
Suspended for a WHOLE DAY?!
Still, it will give him more time to concentrate on his Polish language lessons!
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Post by greenhert on Jan 13, 2022 22:21:32 GMT
One day suspensions from Parliament are a meaningless farce.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 14, 2022 10:23:03 GMT
I believe there is a second investigation ongoing looking at whether he used his Commons office for non parliamentary work? That should IMO be more interesting than a lack of an apology. What would be covered by that phrase? Dozing after lunch? Reading novels? Writing novels? Casual sex? Getting drunk? Personal correspondence? Paying bills? Online banking? Following the Test match? Playing computer games? Booking tickets and hotels? Talking to one's broker? Talking to one's publisher? Idling on political websites and forums? Stamp dealing? Bookmaking? Wrapping presents? Sending greetings cards? Balance sheet analysis? Plotting against the Leader? Plotting against the constituency party? Evading one's whip? Fabricating lies and excuses? Writing and reading poetry? Surfing casual pornography? All of those have been done often in MPs' offices. |
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