Brighton Kemptown

[sirbenjamin]

Jan 7, 2023 0:14:02 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Jan 6, 2023 23:33:00 GMT sirbenjamin said:

I'd have expected it to be somewhat higher.

If the 'one in ten' figure is anything close to accurate then statistically you'd expect the gayest (and indeed straightest) small output areas to be more than one standard deviation away from the mean.

Compared to the most/least Muslim/black/retired SOAs, this makes Kemptown appear only moderately gay really.

The figure is 3% nationally

That would explain a lot.

And, as with race, the actual numbers are completely at odds with the impression one would get from watching television or browsing the internet...

[sirbenjamin]

I often wonder the extent to which the LGBTetc figure includes people like me. E.g who arguably technically qualify but don't really identify as part of it, but who sometimes, though not always, tick a box other than 'heterosexual' when prompted in surveys.

[Arthur Figgis]

Jan 7, 2023 0:22:50 GMT sirbenjamin said:

I often wonder the extent to which the LGBTetc figure includes people like me. E.g who arguably technically qualify but don't really identify as part of it, but who sometimes, though not always, tick a box other than 'heterosexual' when prompted in surveys.

They’re the Q. Their sexuality diverges from heterosexual only by virtue of having blue hair and they think they’re more interesting than heterosexuals.

[spinach]

Jan 6, 2023 23:33:00 GMT sirbenjamin said:

Jan 6, 2023 22:45:12 GMT spinach said:

Kemptown - 20.11 %

The MSOA with the highest % of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Other population in England and Wales.

I'd have expected it to be somewhat higher.

If the 'one in ten' figure is anything close to accurate then statistically you'd expect the gayest (and indeed straightest) small output areas to be more than one standard deviation away from the mean.

Compared to the most/least Muslim/black/retired SOAs, this makes Kemptown appear only moderately gay really.

Overall, Brighton and Hove is 10.73% Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual (which is the local authority with the highest % of LGB residents). 

Reviewing the 2021 census, the LGB population is evenly distributed across the country, especially compared to ethnic and religious minorities. Most areas are only around 1-6% Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual. 

Brighton Kemptown is the only area which is more than 20% and there's only about 20-30 MSOA which is 10%+ LGB (all concentrated in the inner cities or university towns).

[The Bishop]

It seems quite likely that those declining to answer this question are disproportionately non-heterosexual, and this should be borne in mind with these stats.

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Jan 7, 2023 12:52:02 GMT The Bishop said:

It seems quite likely that those declining to answer this question are disproportionately non-heterosexual, and this should be borne in mind with these stats.

Yes, although I suspect some (perhaps more conservative-minded) people refused to answer it on point of principle, thinking the census shouldn’t be asking the question at all.

[lancastrian]

Jan 7, 2023 12:52:02 GMT The Bishop said:

It seems quite likely that those declining to answer this question are disproportionately non-heterosexual, and this should be borne in mind with these stats.

This may well be true in Brighton, but it would probably be a mistake to assume it is true everywhere given the apparent correlation in many areas between no response and minority religions - the very highest non response rates in the country are clearly related to Hasidic Jews.

Full figures for Kemptown MSOA:

Straight or Heterosexual 69.85% (lowest in Brighton but not England because of varying response rates)
LGB+ 20.11%
Not answered 10.04%

[Pete Whitehead]

There must be a decent proportion of people who decline to answer these questions on the basis that they are oppposed to the agenda behind them. I typically refuse to answer diversity questionaires other than on the census (I answer those truthfully because in this case I value the information published for its own sake). I dare say that the kind of people who refuse to answer on those grounds disproportinately belong to groups other than the specific minorities these surveys purportedly benefit.

[Sibboleth]

Of course the distribution of sexualities within minority groups will be the same as in the general population. But this question is a little like the religion question: much as that question cannot 'see into Men's souls' but can only measure identification which will always be inconsistent, the same is true of a question about sexuality.

[Sibboleth]

Also, it's an error to assume that exercising the opt-out right for certain questions is always a firmly political act. Most people spend about a second on each question and generally 'no answer' just means 'eh, none of your business'.

[J.G.Harston]

Jan 7, 2023 13:44:20 GMT @johnyorks said:

Jan 7, 2023 12:52:02 GMT The Bishop said:

It seems quite likely that those declining to answer this question are disproportionately non-heterosexual, and this should be borne in mind with these stats.

Yes, although I suspect some (perhaps more conservative-minded) people refused to answer it on point of principle, thinking the census shouldn’t be asking the question at all.

I feel that the census is asking too many questions, and should get back to a basic single A4 per household as per what I'm used to from research. a 32-page document is ridiculous. But in this specific case, in the environment of screaming harpies on all sides asserting unsustainable nonsense, this specific question was a desperately needed one to get an actual concrete figure to base things on.

[andrea]

When I was student, I worked for the collection phase of Italian Census...I remember that one family member filling for everybody in the household was quite significant. widespread.
I guess it would affect the responses on more personal questions.

[Sibboleth]

Jan 7, 2023 16:42:06 GMT andrea said:

When I was student, I worked for the collection phase of Italian Census...I remember that one family member filling for everybody in the household was quite significant.
I guess it would affect the responses on more personal questions.

Stamp's Law again, yes.

[J.G.Harston]

Jan 7, 2023 16:58:57 GMT Sibboleth said:

Jan 7, 2023 16:42:06 GMT andrea said:

When I was student, I worked for the collection phase of Italian Census...I remember that one family member filling for everybody in the household was quite significant.
I guess it would affect the responses on more personal questions.

Stamp's Law again, yes.

Certainly with the in-depth intrusive endless questions in the current censuses, having one person filling in for the whole household is likely to generate more levels of duff information (Joyce! Do you have sex with women? The government needs to know!). Having the pre-1991 simple household survey is much more likely to be fillable by one person: Names of occupants, ages, sexes, relations, occupation, place of birth; how many rooms in the house. If you can't remember that your daughter who lives with you is your daughter and when she was born, you should really be asking somebody else to fill out the form.

[rcronald]

I don't know if it is (or was) widespread, but my grandma (who was British-Asian) always refused to answer the race question (In every questionnaire, including the census), because she was principally opposed to the question and its premise (like the French).

[batman]

I am canvassing in this constituency today. My wife is joining me for the first time on a canvass or knock-up in 8 years. I am friendly with one of the youthful Labour candidates for one of the more marginal wards.